It's Hard to See Yourself When You're Hiding
“If you carry the enduring pattern, it’s actually the most complicated pattern for somatic trauma work.”
I know today is going to be a journey for all of those who are listening and for Amy personally. Yes! There’s a second Amy on the podcast today.
Our guest, Amy, is a visionary and support team leader and bodywork specialist. The ranch you’ll hear mentioned is a center for trauma recovery. Amy has big gifts and a big dream!
And while she’s done “all the things,” something still just isn’t clicking, which makes this a perfect time for an alchemical constellation session.
You know there’s always something new dropping in on the podcast! Today, you’ll tune into a past life constellation session with a bit of stone medicine woven in and you’ll discover Developmental Trauma Theory.
The timing of our recording is wild! Just days before, I had a conversation with one of my clients where we were discussing the importance of me teaching on the somatic work I do prior to the constellation work in these episodes. And here we are, where you get to experience just that.
You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:
» want to remember your role in the evolution of humanity
» tend to blame yourself first in most, if not all, situations
» experience a shame spiral when people try to love you
» want to manifest a home environment where you thrive
» feel you have a divine calling to be a lightworker
Topics covered in this podcast episode:
The alchemical work Amy has done so far this year
How to really land the intention for the most potent session
The 5 types in Developmental Trauma Theory
Ways to know you might have the enduring pattern
The ways in which you may be hiding from the world
What types of resources are called in during constellation sessions
The 12 Holy Nights practice for the year ahead
I hope that the deep medicine my guest Amy brought today from her systemic field touches you and wherever you're headed in this world and in this life.
I recommend that you reach out if you are thinking about working with me. I have the Women's Legacy Collective, which is my annual program in 2026. And I have many different ways of inviting people to journey with me—both short term and long term. I can feel that really attuned, intimate contact will be very helpful for many in 2026.
Thank you for joining us and being a part of this alchemical constellation journey!
To book your own constellation process, explore the Alchemical Constellation Gateway.
If you’re unsure where to begin, sign up for a free Consultation Call. And if this episode resonates, please leave a review on your favorite platform and share this episode with those who you think might benefit.
Until we meet again, I'm sending blessings from the Doeg land I steward.
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The unedited podcast transcript for this episode of The Soulful Visionary Podcast follows
Amy Babish:
Have you ever felt like there's something more just waiting to be unlocked in your life? Like no matter how much you've accomplished, a deeper potential is calling. Welcome to the Soulful Visionary Podcast, where I guide you to align with your authentic self and create a life of purpose, love and lasting impact. A life where you can truly soar beyond what your mind can comprehend. I'm your host, Amy Babish, a licensed psychotherapist and an expert in somatic coaching, feng shui and wisdom traditions. With over 20 years of experience guiding thousands of clients through soul level transformation. Each week we'll dive into potent practices, live client sessions and insightful conversations to help you dissolve intergenerational patterns and transcend your upper limits so that you can live the big life you're meant to live. Tune in and let's unlock your inner wisdom together.
Amy Babish:
Welcome to the Soulful Visionary Podcast. I'm your host, Amy Babish, and we are here with a colleague and a friend in a peer who is also named Amy. Welcome in, Amy.
Amy Nelson:
Good morning.
Amy Babish:
We are both in the northern hemisphere in different time zones and it is December when we're recording, so it's cozy. I have a candle, if you can, if you're. If you're ASMR sensitive that has a wick that is made of wood, so it's like a little faux fireplace feeling here.
Amy Babish:
So welcome in, Amy. I know today is going to be a journey for all of those who are listening and for Amy personally. So we're just going to dive right into your intention. Can you share with us what your intention is today for your work?
Amy Nelson:
Yes. Thank you so much for having me here today. I feel very blessed to be in this space. So just going to breathe in deep.
Amy Nelson:
Make sure my core is grounded.
Amy Nelson:
So the intention today.
Amy Nelson:
Which of course I'm going to get emotional straight away.
Amy Babish:
Thank you for being real. Thank you for being real.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
To remember.
Amy Nelson:
My highest active role in the evolution of humanity.
Amy Nelson:
And how to hold myself steady, steadily coherent in order to serve and support the impeccability of all of our unfolding, really, truthfully.
Amy Babish:
So I'm breathing with you.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And I can see there's so much, so much present when you name that. And what hap. What gets in the way for you, Amy, when you. When you name that or when you've tried to live into that or be that or express that.
Amy Nelson:
What feels real is that there is just.
Amy Nelson:
So much love.
Amy Nelson:
And grief.
Amy Nelson:
For our existence on this planet today.
Amy Nelson:
It is deeply beautiful and gut wrenchingly.
Amy Nelson:
I Don't know what the word would be. It's challenging. Would be the pro, like politically correct. If I were to say, you know, it's just fucked.
Amy Nelson:
And it's not. And it's not.
Amy Babish:
We keep it real here. We keep it 500. Yes, yes, yes.
Amy Babish:
And.
Amy Babish:
You know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna help us get really specific because you're naming really potent broad brushstrokes that many, many listeners feel. And it's really resonant with a lot of the experience of 2025 and the past five years and.
Amy Babish:
You know. Yeah, many, many, many, many Venn diagrams intersecting right now.
Amy Babish:
So I'm gonna kind of weave back and forth between your intention and what gets in the way. So if you were able to remember your highest active role in the evolution of humanity and how to hold yourself healthfully and coherently, what would that look like or feel like? What would shift for you like so that we can like really land the intention. So would you feel different in your body? Would your relationships be different? Would your work in the world be different? Would give me like just, you can even spitball like the specifics of this is how your life would radically change. Or this is, you know, or it might be more subtle.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. And I think it's, it's, it's both. It would be radically settled. And then.
Amy Nelson:
You know, I just get this image of.
Amy Nelson:
The theme for me most recently is just this divine presence that is. Knows that she's whole and complete.
Amy Nelson:
Just as she is.
Amy Nelson:
And so, and then looking at how that shows up, you know, is.
Amy Nelson:
You know, I do work with people one on one. Typically I do show up in the world. I have shown up as a hands on Healer for over 20 years. And.
Amy Nelson:
So through this last year of doing the alchemical we work that we have engaged in. After 20 years of my hands on, you know, the bodywork is totally shifting in the way that I am not attracting the same type of clients. So now you know how that would show up is that the clients that I have now are ready to step into their unfolding that serves humanity as a whole in a kind and loving way.
Amy Babish:
I can, I can feel that's really, really tender.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, I guess in my real.
Amy Nelson:
Living it hasn't been that kind as of late, which I take the accountability that I have. Also I am self deprecating, like I will make it my fault.
Amy Babish:
This is, this is so important to name a lot, a lot of us have carried the confusion that the weight of the world is on our shoulders. But even More so that all instead of it's everyone else's, you know, it's everyone else's fault or blame. It's like Taylor Swift. It's me. Hi, I'm the problem. It's me.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Many people carry that.
Amy Babish:
Masochistic structure. And so for those of you who have not been listening to the podcast for some time, one of the modalities that I use is developmental trauma theory. And it gets into patterns. And so this is the enduring pattern. And when it's used in sensory, motor psychotherapy or somatic experiencing, it has more of a pathological name. I don't like to use those pathologizing names. They're not really helpful. But the enduring pattern, I think it's worth just naming right now.
Amy Babish:
I don't. I don't know how much contact you have with the pattern work, Amy.
Amy Nelson:
Not much. No, to be honest. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So the pattern, we all carry all five patterns, and the enduring pattern is the third pattern developmentally, and so.
Amy Babish:
Can look different ways for different people, and it's always on a continuum, but we usually have two patterns. And things can change as we evolve, like, as we, you know, go through life. And we have different challenges, and we have different things that stabilize.
Amy Babish:
When. When we are. When it happens at a young age, it usually happens between the. The ages of 2 and a half to 4 and a half. And it is when we have to submit. And so it's. It's my primary pattern. I carry enduring as the primary pattern.
Amy Babish:
And you're. It can be anything from, like, you're not allowed to have your own opinions. You can't, like, wear a red shoe and a blue shoe. Like, it can be anything like that. You cannot really express. And no becomes very. The word no becomes very confused. So no developmentally precedes yes.
Amy Babish:
So I love Shonda Rhimes, but the year of yes is really confused because if you carry a lot of enduring, we have all five patterns.
Amy Babish:
When you carry a lot of enduring, you don't K N o W. You don't know your no. And so our no is really confused. And so then our yes is oftentimes reactive or reflection reflective. And you don't actually know your true yes.
Amy Babish:
And so enduring. There are gifts to every pattern. So the gifts of the enduring type are that we're the most loyal. Like, we are the ride or dies of. Of many things. And then we have the most stamina because enduring is endurance. And.
Amy Babish:
We oftentimes are looking for, how is this my fault when it's out of balance so the interesting thing about the work that we're going to do today is when I first learned the pattern work, which was almost a decade ago, I was still looking at it from, like, a very Western lens, which is. It's from your primary caregiver or your community or something like that, where you couldn't have those lived experiences. And.
Amy Babish:
You know, that's not to. To.
Amy Babish:
Minimize someone's lived experience. And also our souls sometimes have chosen this experience, this human experience, because we come from other past lives and other context where we also had that experience.
Amy Babish:
So.
Amy Babish:
I've never shared this on the podcast before. So this is like. This is like, there's always something new happening here. So for you, I can feel like when we. To. To give another layer of it. So in pattern work.
Amy Babish:
When we go into overwhelm, we go into pattern. So overwhelm can be, like, tender things. They can be meaningful things, and it can also be, like.
Amy Babish:
Uncomfortable or shitty things. So it's not always a negative thing, which is some of the misperception of being an overwhelm. We can be overwhelmed by good things, too. And what happens when we go deeper into pattern? We are not our pattern, but when we go deeper into pattern with enduring, what happens is our true self, our essence, our wise woman, whatever word you'd like to use in the enduring, enduring pattern, she goes actually below the ground. So nobody can find us, and we hide ourselves from ourselves.
Amy Babish:
And it can be really scary to other people because they can't find us. And we don't know that they can't find us, that they can't see us either. So I think that that's going to give a really important context to. To kind of like, the evolution of your work, your intention of, like, how are these people, how are these new clients going to find you? And part of it, I can feel, is tied to.
Amy Babish:
The roots of the enduring pattern for you.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, that definitely resonates for sure. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And then I'm checking to see if I should share another layer about it, because it feels really important, and I don't usually start this way. So something between your field and my field and the podcast feel is coming through, so I'm called to share this. So.
Amy Babish:
When this is true for other. Other combinations of patterns, but when many people who carry enduring as their primary pattern.
Amy Babish:
What happens is right here between your heart and your throat, this area. And some people, you know, this is the thymus in a medical sense, but in Christianity, it's called the high heart. And in other wisdom, mystic traditions, this is the, this is the seed of the soul. And so my mentor for this, my long term longtime mentor for this, his name is also Dan, Dan Bufo.
Amy Babish:
He explained to me when I first started understanding how much I endured. He said, you've hidden the golden city from yourself, Amy.
Amy Babish:
And I think it's especially powerful because we share the same name.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And so it's like, Amy, you've, you've hidden your own golden city from yourself. And when we're able to like stop, stop enduring and stop hiding and stop making ourselves bad and wrong and having like the right size, it's not like we're like, ain't no problems here being able to take right sized responsibility for things.
Amy Babish:
You will see the grandeur of all that people who really know you do see.
Amy Babish:
Because it's hard to really see yourself when you're hiding.
Amy Nelson:
Or when you're looking for other things. Yeah. And then there's like a. I experienced this sort of a shame spiral when people try to love me and I can't. And then there's, I don't know if the proper term would be like a double buy or a mere, some sort of a. Yeah. And so it's, then it, it triggers their own, you know, lack thereof. You know, it's very complex.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
It's, it's, it's.
Amy Babish:
It'S, it's painful for both, both people.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Because enduring types don't usually attract enduring types. That's, it's the smallest percentage of clients I see. Actually I tend to attract other, other primary patterns of clients. But.
Amy Babish:
When I run retreats, when I run my year long programs, I'm known for saying to the people who carry primary enduring. The only people that can say you, Amy, are the enduring types because they don't really know their true. No. And it's important when they really feel it rise up that they know that they're not going to break me.
Amy Babish:
That my stance and my ability to be with someone's journey, their reckoning, their wholeness, is solid enough to not take in the over and above ness of what happens when you first start to learn your real. No.
Amy Nelson:
Got it.
Amy Babish:
So.
Amy Babish:
I'm not sure what will unfold today in our journey together. But if that comes up, it's, it's okay. It's okay. Because I don't think it's going to come up. But just for those listening, I think it's important if you have someone who carries this pattern in your life who you see, hide, and sometimes it can feel like you're pulling the sheets up over your head.
Amy Babish:
And hiding from the world. And people see you hiding, and it can be anything from, like, not replying to really not knowing what to say. Like, it shows up in many forms. And so if you have someone in your life, especially in a close relationship, that carries this pattern, I hope that today's episode is really meaningful because it will give you a new context that.
Amy Babish:
We, we kind of see the world through our own pattern. So if you don't have this as a primary pattern, you're gonna be like, whoa, I didn't know that was a thing. So. And for those of you who do carry the end during pattern, it is actually the most complicated pattern for somatic trauma work because it oftentimes carries the fawn response, which is both.
Amy Babish:
You know, fight and flight, but also freeze. And so freeze is a, is a dorsal vagal response. And it's really hard to connect with because when you read about fight and flight, it's like, let's do deep breathing. Let's do box breathing. And when you're in a freeze, there's no amount of breathing that's going to unfreeze you. So it's the hardest thing for psychotherapists to help with.
Amy Babish:
It's really hard. So beyond talk therapy, but even in somatic therapy therapy, when they don't understand the interplay between.
Amy Babish:
The double buying even of your. Of your system, it can be really hard to help teach somebody through the body how to get, how to untangle.
Amy Nelson:
This.
Amy Nelson:
And something that's just arising in. Would another way of showing up be that, like, you represent as this very strong. Like they're like, wait, whoa, what's wrong with you? All of a sudden when that, that moment kind of breaks where your, your bandwidth just reaches its end and then you, you go, you know, like I've experienced where I. And I'll just break down or break. You know, I don't know if there's another label for it, but they were just like, oh, I don't know why you. Where did that come from? Because you were looking so strong in a moment and you show up as this powerful force of nature. And so it's really confusing to people when all of a sudden, whatever it is, and I'll. Yeah, I'll just leave it there.
Amy Nelson:
Is that another way?
Amy Babish:
So, so it depends on what pattern is above or below.
Amy Nelson:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
So it. The patterns don't have to go in linear order. Like, we could have the first pattern and the fifth pattern. So having having seen you in person or having Seen your whole body. That's another way for me to read people's patterns. And so my sense is that you probably also have another pattern that looks like those two patterns sandwiched together. When the first pattern is not enough, it's not protecting us enough, then we go into the second pattern and depending on like the over, under of the combo, it can look like what you're talking about with enduring as a primary pattern.
Amy Nelson:
Understood.
Amy Babish:
So.
Amy Babish:
For some, some of my clients who have that, it can look like I don't know what the next step is to take. I feel debilitated.
Amy Babish:
And it feels really real.
Amy Babish:
So I have so much compassion, you know, to know that, like to really deeply understand that that combination, my pattern is a different combination when I, when I default from enduring to another one, it doesn't really, I go in a different direction, but it's, you know, equally, equally complicated. And my deep sense around why we're, we're meeting today is that it's actually not, it was your lived experience and your development, but the roots of it are really an entanglement.
Amy Babish:
So you're, I feel that we're working with.
Amy Babish:
Something in your systemic field that is entangled with this pattern too.
Amy Nelson:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
And I have the chills when I say that. So.
Amy Babish:
I just was having a conversation with one of my clients who does enduring from my global peacebuilding community, and we were talking about the importance of me teaching somatic work like this before we do constellation work. So this is very timely. And I did not know that this was going to weave from my conversation with her on Monday, but she said when her experience from. We did a 16 month process from working with that community, the, the participants who really.
Amy Babish:
Really committed to the somatic practices around this, they were able to integrate their constellation work much easier. Like the constellation outcomes could really land and they could take the, the takeaways, the medicine, the AHAs with a lot more ease because they had another tool to help them integrate. So we might end up doing some somatic practices today. I don't know. We'll, we'll see where the field takes us.
Amy Nelson:
Okay. So it's, and that actually tuned in. I tuned into that last night. I was like, I was getting something popped up going. I'm, I have a sense I would be curious. I wouldn't be surprised if somatics showed up today.
Amy Babish:
Here it is, Here it is. Because I don't, I don't even know if you know this about me, but I was a somatic practitioner for a really long time, like over a Decade.
Amy Nelson:
I did know that. And, and to be honest, like, I, I had a different frame of reference in the last year.
Amy Nelson:
I think the definition or experience of what somatics is, has shifted.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Amy Nelson:
Would that be correct in meaning? Yeah, like there was a lot of buzz. It was a thing, you know, it's.
Amy Babish:
You know, just like there's no wrong or bad. Yeah. That's another pattern. People that are looking for wrong and bad all the time.
Amy Babish:
But, you know, like the essence of.
Amy Babish:
Helping people to do the pattern work is it's a, it's a, it's a skill set. And there are many different somatic practices. Like I was in a body movement teacher for a long time. Koia.
Amy Babish:
Like movement dance. Dance is medicine. That is really important and that is a somatic practice. But that's not what this is.
Amy Nelson:
Got it.
Amy Babish:
So, you know, just, you know, everything's always on a. It's on a continuum.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
So this is all part of the pre field. So some, some. Someone or I will. I'm getting a little bit of indigestion. This is part of the pre field. Somebody in Amy's field wanted that explanation to feel safe to do this work. Yeah. And I would say oftentimes when I have to do some, some pre constellation explanation, in my experience.
Amy Babish:
It'S oftentimes the blood ancestors who want to know that they're not going to be made bad and wrong.
Amy Babish:
And so that's really important not only for your ancestors, but for anyone's ancestors who are listening with them.
Amy Babish:
Unconsciously or just on the sidelines. My practice is non pathologizing with people, descendants in front of me and also with the ancestral field. So.
Amy Babish:
Whatever comes up, no one's going to be made bad and wrong and there will be accountability, of course, but there's not going to be any shaming, blaming or judging.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. So, yeah, I, you know, I feel important to, to name out loud from my system, to, from my. This, Amy, is that, you know, it's a sacred witness. I'm here.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. There is no shame.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
No blame.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
And of course, I can immediately drop into where I am loyal to that heart.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have the compassionate stance now.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
You can understand.
Amy Babish:
In a way that many people are looking for. Blame is the antidote for that.
Amy Nelson:
Right.
Amy Babish:
And the compassionate heart is part of. The compassionate heart with boundaries is part of the antidote for that. So thank you for, thank you for presencing that.
Amy Babish:
I'm going to go back to. I'm going to just keep going back and Forth. Because it's, you know, sometimes the way that I facilitate constellations is like the process has started when you, you know, we decided we were going to do this. So it's, it's like a long engagement.
Amy Nelson:
So it's not the longest relationship I've had for a long time, Amy.
Amy Babish:
Yes. So it's, some people think it's like the main event when we actually are like talking to whoever we need to talk to. But you and I are the conduits for the process.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So it's, it's already happening.
Amy Babish:
So if you're able to.
Amy Babish:
Welcome and receive, invite in these clients who are here for.
Amy Babish:
Doing their part of helping humanity unfold, what would that change for you, like, financially? Or would your rates change? Would your business model change? Like, I'm gonna, I wanna get, like, I want to land this with you.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. No, it's the nitty gritty. Yes. The, I mean, I, I, I do hold a pretty.
Amy Nelson:
High caliber financially, currently within, you know, my, my local industry.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Amy Nelson:
You know, the hands in, you know, and I am aware that also there is a global network to tap into that. I haven't.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Amy Nelson:
I'm not sure if that's even a road. I'm, that's too soon to tell. Right. Yes, Yes, I do. I have had for probably at least 2, 3 years consistently this dream of something. Well, correction. There's a memory of being, since I was a young child, about 11 to 13 years of age, of having a guest ranch. That is a.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, it's, it's a consciousness, you know. Yeah. A ranch that is consciously motivated.
Amy Babish:
That's amazing.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And you live in a place where that would be possible.
Amy Nelson:
It's very true.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So it's not like we're here outside of Washington D.C. that would be like a pipe dream.
Amy Nelson:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
You live in the part of the country where that is a feasible dream.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Uh, just for the context of the listeners. Yes. A ranch here would be like $10 million.
Amy Nelson:
Well, nowadays it'd be 10 million or more here too. But no, anyway. Yes, yes, but it is physically possible.
Amy Babish:
It is. Yeah. It would be next, like, probably. I'm probably like lowballing that I'm not a real estate expert. Okay. And then anything about your home, Anything, Anything about your intention with your home.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. So to actually.
Amy Nelson:
Manifest one that is.
Amy Nelson:
Nourishing and stable and enlivening, one that, where I do thrive.
Amy Nelson:
Instead of just survive for. I can just name the last six years. I've been in a constant battle of, you Know, compliance and trying to. Yeah. Regulate my own existence and am currently just to be real, living as a nomad because of the relationship dynamic. In my last living situation, the last two were like, nope, can't do it anymore. So this would be, you know, to actually have. Even if it's.
Amy Nelson:
To still be a nomad. I mean, to feel like that. That I am completely.
Amy Nelson:
Being enlivened through that existence instead of running scared and having to grasp four crumbs.
Amy Nelson:
Just to put. Put it poetically.
Amy Babish:
Yes. Yeah. Yes. And so, you know, every. Everything is interrelated in this process. And so.
Amy Babish:
We'Re going to. I'm going to name that as part of the entanglement.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
Like, what gets in the way when you go to do your work in the world and support the evolutionary movement of humanity is you're having a stable home and not having to run.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Even if it's like a stable home that you're a nomadic in. Like, I'm choosing this Airbnb or I'm.
Amy Nelson:
Choosing this vrbo or I have this sprinter van.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yes, exactly.
Amy Babish:
So. So that gets in the way. What. What else gets in the way? So you have. I'm looking. You have named some enduring pieces, which is like, it's my fault. What else gets in the way?
Amy Nelson:
Well, it is the boundary piece of, you know.
Amy Nelson:
The best way I can describe is my lack of perception of, you know, lack of self. Love is that I, you know, will put my, like, it entangle myself. I'll create dramatic relationships that I. The boundary boundaries are very loose. I've done a lot of work around that, clearly. So I'm. I'm, you know, but. And then it titrates back to this, you know, when I stand and make a boundary and they don't like me for standing up, then I'll shame myself for standing up and without doing it with grace and sort of.
Amy Nelson:
Having those tough but loving conversations. Say, this doesn't work for me. I don't know if that, you know, names it.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
Clear enough.
Amy Babish:
That's very clear.
Amy Nelson:
And then I do have a. Yeah. So the. The relationships that I'll create. And this is it. It's.
Amy Nelson:
What came in as the dream last night, which I. I'll just share it in metaphors, is that I was carving a new path. There was a lot of chaos and traffic jams where if people couldn't get to where they were going, and I carved a new path and immediately everyone followed me and then took over and stepped over what I was creating. And it was very bizarre metaphors, but that's the essence of what. All of a sudden, they were like, oh, Amy created the way. Awesome. Let's go. And then I just kind of.
Amy Nelson:
That's when the fight. Flight freeze. Like, I just stood there looking like, what the f is happening right now? And then I blamed myself for creating the way for them and not setting myself up to be cared for.
Amy Babish:
This is. This is. We're in the right territory.
Amy Nelson:
Are we on? Okay.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. It's all. I'm. I'm getting that we're in the right place.
Amy Nelson:
And then here's that language going. And am I doing it right? Yeah, yeah, there it is. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So I think so many people struggle with this, even if they don't know about their patterns or like, when I.
Amy Nelson:
Don'T get it right, quote unquote, then I go numb.
Amy Nelson:
And it's. I know there's. That's a collective piece that there are many people that are numbing out. I. All I can speak to is my own. For sure.
Amy Babish:
Yes. Yeah. This is your personal experience, but it's also a shared collective experience. Okay, so we're gonna go in. We're gonna go in a bit deeper. And so the first thing we do is we're gonna ask your systemic field to. We're gonna tune into your systemic field, and you might get images, sounds, you. You know what we're looking for.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So whenever you get it, you let me know. And if you want to hear mine, I'll share it, but it's not. It's. I don't have to share mine, so it's always the client's choice.
Amy Nelson:
Got it.
Amy Nelson:
So it's interesting. I.
Amy Nelson:
Immediately. This image, and I sort of have this sense a in my body. My jaw is very tight.
Amy Nelson:
There's something in my womb space that is. You know.
Amy Nelson:
There'S a heaviness and that's. And yet there's an arousal. And then I have this vision of a hook coming into where you were speaking, that thymus area.
Amy Nelson:
Like a claw hook of some sort that is pulling me back to my left side.
Amy Babish:
And. Would you like to hear mine?
Amy Nelson:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So it's always, you know, I never know. So you have to. I just always ask for permission. So your field took me to being in the heart of the cosmos.
Amy Babish:
And so I was there, and.
Amy Babish:
Like, I'm in. I'm in the cave of the heart of the. Of the cosmos.
Amy Babish:
And.
Amy Babish:
It'S very dark, and.
Amy Babish:
I could feel. I could sense, like, the interconnectedness of being my mentor. Dan often will say, like the heart of the world, Mother Earth, like the heart of the world. And I asked that, I asked the field, I'm like, are we in the heart of the world? They're like, no, no, girl, we're in the heart of the cosmos. And so I've never been in the heart of the cosmos before. And.
Amy Babish:
They were starting to point towards.
Amy Babish:
This is related to your origins before you became form, when you were formless.
Amy Babish:
And.
Amy Babish:
The way that I explained the tune in process is like we're both getting puzzle pieces. And so they might be.
Amy Babish:
You know, different, different parts of the multiverse. And so some like, as I say that I can really feel my left kidney. So this might like interweave with your paternal line, like a paternal line of your paternal ancestors. But it's.
Amy Babish:
The alchemical process. The way that I do it is like the field really has permission to organize around whatever needs to be presenced. So we might, we may or may not go all the way to what we need to go to. Like we need to go to, we'll get to what we need to go to today. And these.
Amy Babish:
Messages, these images are going to be available to you moving forward.
Amy Nelson:
And this is where that piece that we have spoken about before is stepping into the world on stage as a light worker, you know. Yeah, that, the divine calling of being. Yeah, a galactic, you know.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, you're intergalactic.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, intergalactic.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, you're intergalactic. And.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, the, the things that we're being given are related to being a lightworker.
Amy Babish:
And so.
Amy Babish:
For like, you know, like doing my checks and balances, making sure we're doing, checking our work, we're just going to start with, we kind of go back, we.
Amy Babish:
Take it back. And so my next step is always to invite you to presence your mom behind your left shoulder and like her essence, her, her soul, not as you knew her as a human. But you're going to ask her, does she carry.
Amy Babish:
These entanglements of like.
Amy Babish:
Really.
Amy Babish:
Like enduring complicated relationships? Like all of a sudden, like she calls in the dramatic relationship and then she has to do something and it ends up really making herself bad and wrong. And we're not looking for 100%, but like, you know, a pretty strong Venn diagram.
Amy Babish:
And does your mom feel like she carries those things?
Amy Nelson:
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Okay. And now we'll present your dad.
Amy Babish:
Behind your right shoulder and you can ask him the same question.
Amy Nelson:
So, and what I hear is that, and I'm, I'm, I've been the one Made bad, sick and wrong.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. He's saying that to you.
Amy Nelson:
Uh huh.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In.
Amy Nelson:
In relationship to the feminine, you know.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So they. They both carry it.
Amy Nelson:
Mm.
Amy Babish:
And so I've named this on a few other podcasts, but for those of you who are listening for the first time, I always kind of name a few things just to help presence it for Amy's field, but also for new listeners.
Amy Babish:
Whatever we do for Amy next, this will benefit both of her blood lineages. Those who want to receive can receive from the process. They can receive all the resources we work with. But those who don't want to receive, and they're like, no, I'd rather watch or no thanks, they're not going to be forced to receive. So we're going to step outside of Amy's blood lineages and we're going to ask a second tune in for Amy's field to take us to the context or the lifetime of what. What the roots of this are for Amy.
Amy Babish:
So the field knows Amy's intention, and then we're asking them to take us to the.
Amy Babish:
The context of where this entanglement started. So we'll both close our eyes and retune in. Okay. Okay.
Amy Nelson:
So I see a hooded woman.
Amy Nelson:
Initially, while you, you know, presence that. I got a big.
Amy Nelson:
Tap right here. Just sort of a real, you know, zing. And the. And for those, again, since you're not seeing this, I'm tapping the top of my head.
Amy Nelson:
Just off to the left a little bit. And then I had a real sense of just right. As if, you know, the wings were cut off.
Amy Nelson:
Everything was just severed. And there's like.
Amy Nelson:
Just excruciating pain.
Amy Babish:
And do you feel that in your body or do you have a sense?
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Okay, so you're having the pain.
Amy Nelson:
So. Yeah. And my. And my solar plexus, as I'm even speaking it now, there's a little bit like, o. Like I just got punched in the gut.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
So would you like to hear mine? We're going to get some relief.
Amy Nelson:
Yes. Yes.
Amy Babish:
So your field gave me a song, and it's a song by KT Tunstall. It's. The song is called Throw Me a Rope. And so I don't know if you know that song, but it's. It's a very.
Amy Babish:
A very tender song. It's a very gentle song. But the part of the lyrics that they gave to me were.
Amy Babish:
Throw me a rope I'm standing I'm standing in space.
Amy Babish:
Everything's easier when you're beside me Come back and find me, because I feel alone.
Amy Babish:
And it's. It's a really beautiful song. So I'll. I'll see if we can put it in the show notes, and I'll send it to you.
Amy Babish:
Afterwards.
Amy Babish:
So we'll just go in and start to talk with this hooded woman so.
Amy Babish:
She can hear both of us. But I'll have you speak directly with her so you can. You can tell her, you know, I'm Amy and I'm in the year 2025. And I'm here because I need your help, and I think you need mine.
Amy Babish:
So you can. Some. Some people like to say things out loud, and some people just say things to yourself. So whatever feels resonant for you, Amy.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
So it's like she's. She's looking off to the left. She's like. As if someone else, you know, she wants to be present with me, but there's someone or something that she has to keep an eye out for.
Amy Babish:
Yep. So our next step is to ask her if she knows she's dead.
Amy Nelson:
It's interesting because it's a yes and no.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. She feels stuck.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
So you can explain to her that.
Amy Babish:
She is dead and you. You share part of a soul.
Amy Babish:
And you were her in a past life.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. That makes sense to her.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And so can she give you the context of what was going on in her life that might have led to her death?
Amy Nelson:
No, it's. She's just shaking her head, shrugging her shoulders, going. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Can you ask her about.
Amy Babish:
Was there anything going on, like, collectively or in the community.
Amy Babish:
That was like a bigger theme, like genocide or poverty or.
Amy Nelson:
I'm not sure which era this is, but it is.
Amy Nelson:
Okay, So I just heard Dark ages.
Amy Babish:
Yep.
Amy Nelson:
And I don't really. I'm not a historian, so this. I understand that it could also be on a metaphorical. You know, I mean, it is. There's a realness to it, for sure. Obviously. And it. Okay.
Amy Nelson:
So.
Amy Nelson:
I'm just having this sense of, you know, reassuring that if this has to do with the witch, you know, burning, you know, that type of something sort of genocide, that it's. We're. We're healing. This. This is, you know, the intention is to break the pattern.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Amy Nelson:
And I still have a sense of that. Yeah. She's not willing to share.
Amy Nelson:
So.
Amy Babish:
So you can explain to her that you are. Your life force is going back to her.
Amy Nelson:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
And you are replaying her unlived destiny of relationships really blowing up, not being able to fully step into Your purpose, your gifts.
Amy Babish:
Feeling thwarted and looking. Looking to see why everything's your fault.
Amy Nelson:
It's interesting. Now she's. I mean, there's. She's still present. And.
Amy Nelson:
There. It's like there's an.
Amy Nelson:
There's the guilt and shame of.
Amy Nelson:
Like, I didn't know what I didn't know.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And.
Amy Babish:
You can explain to her that if she's willing, we can get both of you some help.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. My body, of course, just side a relief.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And.
Amy Babish:
I. I have a sense that it is the 18 or it is the. The dark ages. It's not 1800s. It's like 1300s somewhere. But I have a sense she doesn't even really know where she is.
Amy Nelson:
Right. It's like there. She's all her existence. The only existence she's known has been sort of on a borrow plane.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. So she's.
Amy Babish:
You can ask her. Has she been banished?
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So.
Amy Babish:
You can ask her, were people afraid of her gifts or afraid of her.
Amy Nelson:
Or didn't understand her 100%?
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. She was misunderstood. Yeah, she was very misunderstood. And the word I'm hearing is that she was relegated.
Amy Nelson:
I'm not sure that.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, that's a word that I don't usually use. Like, that's. It's the fields telling me that.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. So.
Amy Babish:
What they're saying is like, she was relegated from the realms.
Amy Babish:
And she was a sorceress.
Amy Babish:
So I checked to see if she was an angel or a fallen angel, But I think the pain is just the being ostracized and relegated. And.
Amy Babish:
It'S. She was not bound, but it was like she was psychologically and emotionally bound. You can check it out with her.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, yeah. And yes, because everything is right here, right now. And I get chills and I feel.
Amy Babish:
Like.
Amy Babish:
There'S something about her heart being armored.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. And I have the. I also have a sense of something across her mouth.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
Like almost wired shut.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. I can see like metal.
Amy Babish:
So.
Amy Babish:
Does she have any sense of what that's about?
Amy Babish:
And it's okay if she doesn't want to share it publicly. If she just wants to share it with you, that's okay.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. Well, I. I'm aware of a.
Amy Nelson:
One of our constellation that I did one on one with one of our colleagues where we were in a.
Amy Nelson:
It was like. I don't even know that the word coven is. Is correct there. It's something other than that that I don't have a context of reference, but there was definitely.
Amy Nelson:
Human sacrificing.
Amy Nelson:
It Was. Yeah. Yeah. It was a great honor to be asked to be that sacrificial lamb.
Amy Nelson:
And the person that represent. Was representing my field said that she should feel honored. But she's, you know, she wants to step. Yeah. And initially, eventually, you know, she did. There was a sacrifice. Yeah. And things got really murky as to whether or not it was.
Amy Nelson:
Someone else or me. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
That woman. Yeah. Yeah. You can ask her was she sacrificed.
Amy Babish:
And she just doesn't remember.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, I think she.
Amy Nelson:
She has the.
Amy Nelson:
What I hear is, you know, how could I must have been.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Doesn't.
Amy Nelson:
Nothing else makes sense right there. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So I'm going to tune into what resource we can start to invite in. Unless there's anything else either of you want to share?
Amy Nelson:
Not in this moment, no. Okay.
Amy Babish:
So the first resource we're going to be bringing in is an activating resource.
Amy Nelson:
And.
Amy Babish:
It'S something around activating a resource in the pain body because both of you carry so much physical, emotional, psychological, spiritual pain.
Amy Babish:
So does anything come to mind for either of you of the resource that's going to help activate a different response or different experience moving forward?
Amy Nelson:
I don't.
Amy Nelson:
There's.
Amy Nelson:
It's something in the seat of the soul.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
It feels like there's a few different things that could be useful.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And we can use more than one.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So what's coming to mind for you?
Amy Nelson:
I'll just name that, you know, I'm resistant to. You know there is. I'm. But I'll name, you know, I see yellow roses.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
And what does she say about the yellow roses? Because it might be for her.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, it's just presence of peace.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And what else. What else is coming forward for activating?
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. I'm just allowing what's in my body. What. As I start channeling, you know, I'll start to get the. That somatic response of where that the head, you know, sort of shifts and that's. So I don't have anything mentally or even emotionally a sense of. It's just that energy flow.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So a new. A new flow of energy perhaps that's recalibrating you and her with the vibration of yellow roses. The presence of peace.
Amy Babish:
And the color yellow is really good for the solar plexus. So like alchemizing some confusion around shame and self blame and.
Amy Babish:
Over responsibility of fault.
Amy Babish:
That it can just be really gentle.
Amy Babish:
And it feels like the yellow roses also want to make like an elixir.
Amy Babish:
Like a flower essence.
Amy Babish:
For your past life self. It is.
Amy Babish:
It's very specific. One drop for 108 days.
Amy Nelson:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
And.
Amy Babish:
For you it is.
Amy Babish:
Three drops a day for 27 days.
Amy Babish:
And when I say that, I can feel like a lot of easing up in the system.
Amy Nelson:
And the three drops of just the.
Amy Babish:
Alchemical yellow rose elixir. So you don't, in this process, you don't have to take it in a human dosage. It'll be in the liminal space with you and you don't have to even think about it.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
It just will be given to you, dosed out, of course, with your consent for those listening, like, what is she talking about? This is a consensual process.
Amy Babish:
And what do you notice as the elixir comes in, Amy?
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. So now there's enough.
Amy Nelson:
Confidence and freedom to even ask of this. The, the plate over the shoulder and the back to have that, you know, freed up.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And what do you, what do you.
Amy Nelson:
See in your past life self?
Amy Nelson:
An awareness of actually how.
Amy Nelson:
Those scales are a gift, you know, like dragon scales.
Amy Babish:
Yes. Yeah. They're luminescent. They're luminescent.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
What is that touching you?
Amy Nelson:
It's an interesting body dysmorphic association about being ugly can still be beautiful and.
Amy Babish:
Ugly according to whom.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, exactly.
Amy Babish:
Exactly. Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
So that's, it raises some curiosity into, you know, that's a judgment.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
You know, where is. Yeah. An illusion.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, it is an illusion. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And I feel that her.
Amy Babish:
Her form is kind of shifting a little bit.
Amy Babish:
She's becoming more luminescent too.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. At the beginning she was completely. Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
Dull.
Amy Babish:
Shrouded, like. Shrouded. Very, like muted.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. Yep.
Amy Babish:
I'm going to tune in to see what the next resource might be.
Amy Babish:
Next resource is a receiving resource. So the field wants to give something to both of you, around your intention, around what she needs to help support you with your intention. And so we can tune in and just notice what that might be.
Amy Babish:
So I'm getting. Unless you have something.
Amy Babish:
Let your field speak first directly to you.
Amy Nelson:
Well, there's, there's a desire to, to hear the words emeralds.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Amy Nelson:
And then also. Yeah, I'm curious because I'm. I. Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
What your divine field hears and sees with it. Look, peering in.
Amy Babish:
So I was definitely hearing it was going to be some kind of stone or crystal and it might be a. It might be a twofer. So.
Amy Babish:
This is another elixir. So it's going to be an elixir of emerald, which is a DNA.
Amy Babish:
Barrel stone, which can epigenetically shift Things. And emerald is really good for the heart.
Amy Babish:
And it's.
Amy Babish:
The physical heart, the emotional heart, the spiritual heart.
Amy Babish:
And then it's really good for, like the queen.
Amy Babish:
Like the queen to take her seat.
Amy Babish:
On your heart, in your heart, your true self to be in your own heart. And then I heard pearl. And so pearl is really good for grief.
Amy Babish:
And pearl is really good for skin. So some of the skin confusion.
Amy Babish:
It will help.
Amy Babish:
Digest the sand, like the metaphoric sand that you've seen as something wrong. And it will help you see it really as its true form, which has been digested into something luminescent like a pearl.
Amy Babish:
And then when you have an elixir like this, there's a harmonizer. And so the harmonizing stone is the Herkimer diamond. So a Herkimer diamond is something that's like a raw. A raw form of diamond. And it often has little black flecks of carbon in it. And it's very, very strong. And it's an amplifier. So it will harmonize the elixir, and it will amplify the intentions of what we put into the elixir.
Amy Babish:
And.
Amy Babish:
What I'm hearing for your past life self, it is.
Amy Babish:
It's a transmutational elixir around all the grief, around what she didn't know.
Amy Babish:
She didn't know.
Amy Babish:
The charge that people had around her, her peers, her family, her community. And she didn't know.
Amy Babish:
The grief that her own potency would cause.
Amy Babish:
And then for you.
Amy Babish:
It'S starting to.
Amy Babish:
Transmute what feels like a tsunami of grief into something that's right sized for you. Anytime you touch grief, it will just be the grief that's yours, like an emotion versus the spirit of grief that has been.
Amy Babish:
Carried through time and space from all of the grief that she carried.
Amy Babish:
The spirit of grief has been stuck.
Amy Babish:
Versus the motion of grief.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, that's resonates in that, you know, the.
Amy Nelson:
Anytime I touch it in, you know, since I've started, it's. It feels like it's not even all mine.
Amy Babish:
No, it's not all yours. It's not.
Amy Babish:
And so it's. It's something where.
Amy Babish:
They said that they can just give two of the same doses of the. The Yellow Rose elixir. It will be a similar pacing for both of you.
Amy Babish:
So you can just kind of allow yourself to feel it come through your system. And grief, you know, was really in the lungs and large intestines. And we just came out of grief season in the fall.
Amy Babish:
So.
Amy Babish:
Seeing if. If the elixir will allow some of the, like the breath of life to able. Be able to come through for both of.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. She's definitely just bowing in gratitude.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Amy Nelson:
And as I, you know, in my own body too, you notice I started swaying.
Amy Babish:
And I can feel in your like zero point area, your coccyx area, I can feel it really like, opening. And that's the point in Taoism where the soul, like, that's where your essence comes in. It's the first breath and it's the last breath that it goes out in. So I can feel that, like, it feels like it's like being like zhuzhed or like really softened. I'm not a body worker, so I don't have the right word for it, Amy, but you could probably give a word for it.
Amy Nelson:
Sounds great.
Amy Babish:
Yes. If you're noticing it.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. It feels like.
Amy Babish:
As the heart softened.
Amy Babish:
More. More of you can come. Come back in.
Amy Babish:
Is there anything else you want to say to her or she wants to say to you before we go to our next step?
Amy Nelson:
She's just saying to me, you know.
Amy Nelson:
You know you can dance. Yeah, you can, you know, I, you know, and by dancing, you know, I dance through you.
Amy Babish:
Yes. Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
We can then dance together because there's certainly been a. Yeah. I have a sense of. She certainly doesn't feel so lost and alone.
Amy Babish:
Yep.
Amy Nelson:
She can't unsee being seen.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yes. Yes.
Amy Babish:
So when you're ready, you can.
Amy Babish:
Take your soul fractal back from her.
Amy Nelson:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
It might come as a color, might come as a vibration frequency.
Amy Nelson:
So I certainly. I. Purple came in and it's going to be interesting. The. There's a frequency that has been trying to kind of within my Oracle or what Oracle. Wow.
Amy Nelson:
There's a slip.
Amy Babish:
The truth. The truth.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
That's what it is.
Amy Nelson:
The oracle wisdom that has kind of been scratching at my door.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Amy Nelson:
So I'll just, you know, allow space for that to be the invitation to just.
Amy Nelson:
Recalibrate, as we said earlier.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And as you receive more of your soul essence back to you, is there anything you want to tell her about how you'd like to use that energy moving forward?
Amy Nelson:
I get a cheeky grin.
Amy Nelson:
And it's just that simple. It's a childlike.
Amy Nelson:
Use it for good.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. We use it for you.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Use it for.
Amy Babish:
Receiving the clients. Use it for magnetizing your guest ranch for.
Amy Babish:
More of a.
Amy Babish:
You know, like the steadiness.
Amy Babish:
That you. That it's safe to be steady.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. Steady coherence is sort of that. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
That you're. You're allowing your home Frequency in.
Amy Nelson:
And, you know, I'll, I'll name two balanced and, and, yeah, I don't know what the relationship piece. You know, we'll get there. I don't want to get, you know, too far too fast, but.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
That you're, you're inviting it in. And.
Amy Babish:
It also feels like she wants to be a guide. She's available to be a guide, so you can let her know how much, how much you invite her into your oracle wisdom. Is it through movement? Is it through sound bowls? Is it through being in nature? Like, you can let her know. I think she's open to all of the things, but it feels like maybe a conversation with her about that would be helpful before we close out so that you two are on the same page. I don't have to be on the same page. But you could. YouTube could be on the same page.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. And I, And I.
Amy Nelson:
I could use a collaborator with. You know, I've had a lot of wounding around my voice.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Nelson:
You know, and the toning and chanting in terms of. Through the healing modality.
Amy Nelson:
And.
Amy Nelson:
So I'll invite that kind of relationship with her.
Amy Babish:
It feels like, you know, however she was, however she was bound with that metal around her mouth was part of this. So now that she's free, I have a sense that it's going to be a whole new, like you were talking about the jaw ping type. You're gonna have whole new access to your heart, throat, jaw connection.
Amy Babish:
And, you know, like the gallbladder channels that run along the neck. So it's like you'll have the gall to speak freely and sing freely and chant freely.
Amy Babish:
Those things feel very freed up now.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. Not a lot less intense because I've done it, but it's just then I've had this backlash of shame and guilt that. That can be free to no longer exist.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. You don't, you don't. You're not carrying that anymore.
Amy Nelson:
Right.
Amy Babish:
Like, you'll have the right size of like, maybe I overdid it a little bit, but not like, ah, I can't believe I said that. This is so bad. Yikes.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. It'll just be like, oh, maybe I said a couple extra sentences or I over emphasize this word, but it'll be a lot easier. Like, a lot more. As you said, like, grace filled.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Is there anything else before we say goodbye to her?
Amy Nelson:
No.
Amy Babish:
Well, thank you. Thank you to your.
Amy Babish:
Your new guide, your intergalactic sorceress guide who is on your team now. And thank you to your willingness. Amy, do you have any questions or anything before we, we close up today?
Amy Nelson:
I think it's just the practical, practicality. There's something about those.
Amy Nelson:
There's a next, there's a layer of you know, how do I. The.
Amy Nelson:
Trust, you know, because I've as many of your, your as you say in your opening, you know this is, I'm one of those that has done all the things, stuck things through it and you know, and I'm at this point in life where you just are. There's a sense of urgency just not doing, not repeating it, you know, making this the, the one that sticks.
Amy Babish:
Yep. So the first thing I hear, the first guidance is, you know the elixirs are going to take 27 days for you.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And so it's like a 27 day incubation period and I get that.
Amy Babish:
80. We did 82% today.
Amy Babish:
And then the last 18% are going to be over the next 27 days. And it's not like, like a western medicine pill that's like you get this little bit every day for all the days. It's like maybe some days it's going to be 10% and then it's going to be 0.5%. So it's going to be exactly what your, your system is able to digest and integrate. We're going into.
Amy Babish:
The like very like deep, deep, deep part of winter. And during this 27 days we will be in the.
Amy Babish:
12 holy nights. So I don't know if you ever do that practice.
Amy Nelson:
I will, I have not but I will check into it now.
Amy Babish:
So it's, you know, it's one of those things where I do have a strong sense that it was co opted by Rudolph Snyder who is a very famous person. But I think it's a druid practice. I think it's in other words other wisdom traditions. But you basically.
Amy Babish:
It is a way of tuning into the pre field for the year ahead.
Amy Nelson:
Got it.
Amy Babish:
So you notice your dreams, you can pull cards, you can journal, you can notice like what things you see during your day. And each day corresponds to a month in the following calendar year. And I keep it in my regular journal, my business journal for the year. But it's for my whole thing, my whole.
Amy Babish:
My. It's all my life, it's not just my business and I happen to have it right here. So I'll tell you the day that it usually starts.
Amy Babish:
It starts. I take copious notes here folks. So you're hearing me, you're hearing me go through all this. The first day is typically the 26th.
Amy Nelson:
Okay. And.
Amy Babish:
Some people call it the Winter Talisman practice. But it's a really great time. Before you go to bed, ask your dream writer, how can you help me integrate all these things? How can you help me prepare for the year ahead?
Amy Babish:
There's a lot of different variations of it, but that's kind of like the essence of it. You can do a meditation before you go to bed. You can do a, you know, a sound. A sound bowl healing before you go to bed and asking for you this. Guide the sorceress to come with your. Your guidance team and help you to integrate this work. And.
Amy Babish:
I always will ask, like, what is my next step? Like, presencing that with a contemplation practice.
Amy Babish:
What do you need me to know? Would you. What would you have me do versus kind of, you know, my. Another pattern I carry is the overdoer. I'm the one who overdoes it. So to make sure that part of me is not in charge, I'm really just making sure I am grounded when I'm in my contemplation practice, especially around the 12 holy nights.
Amy Babish:
And then for you, I would say, let me listen if there's anything else.
Amy Babish:
Making sure you just ask every day, a couple times throughout the day, like, am I clear and grounded?
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Because you're with so many different people, like, picking up their energy here on Earth and intergalactically. Like, you want to make sure that you're just clear in that way. And then.
Amy Babish:
I think you already spend a lot of time in nature, but, like, spending time in silence in nature every day during this period during these 27 days.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
That would be really, really good to listen.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. This. As you can see, they could. It's. He showing up.
Amy Babish:
Yes. She has a beautiful dog here.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Joining us for the podcast.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah, He. He's very. So this is where. Because he's actually been Reiki certified, animal Reiki certified with me. So he's asking, don't forget me.
Amy Babish:
He's like, I'll give you a Reiki attunement if you need. Right.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure you have that training of doing. You can ask the Reiki attunement to help the elixirs attune to you.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. So.
Amy Babish:
I think that you. You have, like, your way of integrating. And I would. I would just keep on asking, like, what can I do to support the integration?
Amy Babish:
And sometimes, you know, the stone medicine resources that we used are very gentle. And Rose is the highest vibration of Healing. So it's like, those are very gentle. So my sense is that it's going to feel subtle at first, but then when you're on the other side of it, it's going to feel very clear.
Amy Nelson:
Yeah. That's often how that happens. Right.
Amy Babish:
That will feel like that. That kind of progression is not going to be like a, I woke up like this tomorrow. What would happen? Like, it's not going to be dramatic like that. Some people's systems are like that, but that's. We're trying to get you out of that system.
Amy Babish:
Out of that entanglement.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, I think. I think that that is what I'm getting. Like, that's the. That's the essence of what they want to convey.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, I think. I think that it's going to be your dreaming life will speak to you in a different way.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Your breath will be different. I think things are going to be a bit. Bit more, like, integrated and smooth. That's what my sense of it is.
Amy Nelson:
Me too.
Amy Babish:
Thank you. Thank you, Amy. And thank you to everyone who has followed us on this journey and wherever you are in the world. Sending you so much gratitude from the Doeg land that I steward outside of Washington, D.C. and if you are curious about working with me, I have an annual cohort of 13amazing women that I will have five weekends in person with and then monthly groups in between, and that is called the Women's Legacy Collective. There are seven spaces currently open. And if you're curious, you can email me, you can DM me on Instagram. Whatever way you communicate, I will.
Amy Babish:
We will find a way to meet in real life.
Amy Babish:
And until we meet again, I hope that the deep medicine that Amy brought today from her systemic field really touches you and where you're headed in this world and in this life. Until we meet again. Sending you blessings.
Amy Nelson:
Thanks.
Amy Babish:
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