Your Love Story is Being Played Out in My Life

There’s nothing you can Google that explains this kind of heartbreak.

This is our very first love story on the show and it was such an honor to be able to hold space for Jonathan and his beloved.

Today’s episode is an alchemical family and systems constellation work session with someone I’ve known since middle school! He and I even share the same birthday.

Jonathan reached out to me with some questions, which eventually led to an invitation to join me on the podcast!

I’m often asked who I work with. I see people of all genders—men, women, non-binary folks, trans folks. You are all welcome both in my private practice and on the podcast!

You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:

» are dating after death or divorce

» have successfully manifested before

» have ever experienced deep heartbreak

» have found yourself pulling back in relationships

» notice communication issues are at the heart of relationship dynamics

Topics covered in this podcast episode:

• What kind of clients Amy works with

• What Jonathan has manifested before

• The role our homes play in our lives and relationships

• What relationship dynamics have played out for Jonathan

• How much interconnectedness there is in Jonathan’s systemic field

• How Jonathan is experiencing a different flavor of entanglement

• Why somatic work isn’t always the thing to turn to

• How Amy knew alchemical family and systems constellation was for Jonathan

• If you need to speak questions out loud or silently during constellation work

• If you need to do past life regression work before working with Amy

• What happens to your life force when you’re part of an entanglement

• Steps to take to integrate after a constellation work session

• How Amy holds space for folks during these sessions
  

The flow of life can't continue when we let our life force go backwards. And this is exactly what’s happening in an entanglement. Jonathan’s particular entanglement was a first for the podcast!

If you have your own heartbreak or know someone in your life who carries heartbreak, I invite you to share this episode.

I'm here to support you and your systemic field. If you’re feeling the pull to work with me, I’m offering a 3-part package of constellation work. It's three 2-hour sessions with an integration ritual. Reach out to see if this is a good fit for your healing journey.

Until we meet again, sending you many blessings from the Doeg land that I steward.

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The unedited podcast transcript for this episode of The Soulful Visionary Podcast follows

Amy Babish: Have you ever felt like there's something more just waiting to be unlocked in your life? Like no matter how much you've accomplished, a deeper potential is calling. Welcome to the Soulful Visionary podcast, where I guide you to align with your authentic self and create a life of purpose, love, and lasting impact. A life where you can truly soar beyond what your mind can comprehend. I'm your host, Amy Babish, a licensed psychotherapist and an expert in somatic coaching, feng shui, and wisdom traditions. With over 20 years of experience guiding thousands of clients through soul level transformation. Each week we'll dive into potent practices, live client sessions, and insightful conversations to help you dissolve intergenerational patterns and transcend your upper limits so that you can live the big life you're meant to live. Tune in and let's unlock your inner wisdom together. Welcome in to the Soulful Visionary podcast. Amy Babish: I'm your host, Amy Babish, and today I have someone that I have known since middle school and we also share the same birthday. Welcome in, Jonathan. Jonathan: Hello. Amy Babish: So for being here. Amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing. And Jonathan has listened to some episodes, but he's not listened to one that we're going to do with him. So this is going to be an adventure, an all around adventure. So we talk from time to time. And he reached out just last weekend or two weekends ago and was saying like, hey, I have some questions. And then it kind of led to a little conversation and I said, why don't you come on the podcast? I said, listen to some episodes first. And from there I said, then if you decide you want to come on, I'm all in. Amy Babish: So. So that's how we got here. In case you're wondering. How does this happen for the listeners? And to go back to a question that I often times receive, I see people of all genders, I see men, I see women, I see non binary folks, I see trans folks. You all are welcome here in my private practice and on the podcast. So, Jonathan, welcome in. Jonathan: I am so thrilled to be here. Amy, it's so good to see you. You mentioned how long we've known each other and it's just registering like, oh my go. We really have known each other for like over 30 years. Over 30 years, yeah. That is insane. It is insane. Amy Babish: Yes. So we've known each other in many different flavors and layers through Facebook, reconnection, through all kinds of things. So yeah, you never, you just never know how the wheel will turn so on on the podcast. And I work with people virtually in Person I always start with, what is your intention? So can you tell us in your own words what's the intention you bring to work on today? Jonathan: Yeah, so my intention is to manifest the most loving, caring, nurturing relationship possible with the person I. With my special person who we will codename Captain. And I'll just. Just to give a little background. Why? Why Captain? So there's this. One of my all time favorite bands is Pearl Jam and they have a song on one of their albums called Love Boat Captain. And that turned into this thing where this special person of mine turned into my Love boat Captain. Amy Babish: Okay. Jonathan: Quote, unquote, Captain. So. Amy Babish: And when I work with somebody, the next thing we get into is like that. Your intention is clear. Sometimes the intentions aren't clear. Your intention is clear. What gets in the way when you go to manifesting this love with Captain? Jonathan: Yeah, well, so, so currently right now we're separated. We're not even together. Like we, we broke up back in, I would say mid March, somewhere around there. Beware the ides of March, something like that. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah. And is it no contact? Jonathan: No, it's not no contact. I mean we text here and there, although we haven't texted for over a week at this point. Okay, about eight. Yeah, eight or nine days. Who's counting? Me. I'm counting. But, but, but what was I going to say? Right? So when I first started manifesting my, my initial thing was to manifest our, our sort of reunification. But then I just, then I kind of like was like, well, I should manifest as if that's already happened and manifest from a place beyond that. Jonathan: Like, okay, I'm, I'm assuming we're, I'm in the vibration or in the, in the timeline or we're reunited. And so what I really want to do is manifest the next thing, which would be a loving, caring, nurturing, the most loving, caring, nurturing relationship possible. Amy Babish: Okay. Jonathan: And that's kind of where I'm at right now. Amy Babish: You're in the vibration. And something that came up when we were talking on the phone was that I said, you know, has this ever happened before where you wanted to manifest relationship or you manifested a relationship and you lost it? And so can you speak a little bit about that? Jonathan: So I've never tried to manifest a relationship before. However, I have tried to manifest other things. So I try to manifest my house, which I'm currently living in now, which is amazing. It's amazing. And I did kind of think about the house therapy, you know, the feng shui and all that. But I Don't know why, but I just feel like for whatever reason, doing the house and having other people listen to it was so intimate that I just was like, no, I can't. I'm not. I'm not ready for that. Jonathan: I mean, if you want me to come over, I'll show. I'll show you my house, but. Because we're friends. But I don't want, like, thousands of people to know about my house anyway. Not that we're not. We're going to get pretty intimate anyway, I assume. But for some reason, that struck me as way too intimate and which is funny to me. And then I've manifested a promotion at work. Jonathan: So there's things that I've successfully manifested. I just started. I disconnected. And I used to be. I practice meditation and manifestation for. For a couple years. I started probably during lockdown in the pandemic. And then for whatever reason, I just kind of drifted away from it right until. Jonathan: Until our. Until our breakup. And then I was like, oh, wait a second. I've been disconnected from this practice. Maybe it's time to start. Get getting back into it. So I would say probably sometime at the end of March, I started, you know, maybe it's. Maybe even April, I started trying to manifest again. Jonathan: Okay, so it's only been a couple, you know, a couple months into to me trying to, you know, manifest this again. And from prior experience when it. Whether it was my promotion or getting this house, it did take several months. So, like, I'm not discouraged or anything. Amy Babish: Okay. Jonathan: It hasn't been like a year. It hasn't been like several. You know what I mean? So. And sometimes I just wish the divine timing was faster. That's all. Amy Babish: Hey, I think the listeners are like. Jonathan: Can I get amen express lane, please? I wonder where's the express pass? Amy Babish: And when it comes to, like, the. What you just mentioned around house therapy. So our houses are a family member, and they are. It is oftentimes the most intimate relationship we have because it is where we are. We spent most of our time so in just like a regular relationship, like a friendship or mental partnership or a, you know, professional relationship, we attract the job, the house, the partner, because they all have lessons and gifts. So we'll. Jonathan: We'll. Amy Babish: We'll table your beautiful house manifestation in the home you live in, but just to kind of preference that, because I'm gonna. I'm gonna have us kind of hold lightly the word manifestation. And I want to talk a little bit more about your intention around. You want to, you know, rekindle Reinvite and this relationship with Captain. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: And you want it to be the most loving, caring, nurturing version of a relationship with her. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: Okay. And so can you tell me what got in the way? Why the relationship dissolved in the first time, the first place? Jonathan: Yeah, absolutely. So, interestingly, I, I kind of knew in the release while in the relationship that I was pulling away, but I wasn't really cognizant of why, like, I didn't spend time to sit with myself and think about it. Okay. Well, of course she picked up on that. Right. And I started in my withdrawal was in a manner that was like antithetical to her love language. Right. So, so her love language was constant communication. Amy Babish: Okay. Jonathan: But I, and we, and you know, for, I would say the first, you know, six, seven, eight, even eight months in, we were definitely constant communication. And it was in those last couple months where I started to, to scale back. And it wasn't until after the relationship had ended that where I sat down and I wrote her a letter. I wrote her like a, first of all, it turned out it was like a 10 page letter originally. And then I worked with League. I don't want to say your last name, but a mutual friend of ours named Lee highly. And I bet you she, she texted. I guarantee you she's texted while we started talking, by the way. Jonathan: And that's probably the cosmic hello that she's saying to you. I'll let you know after the fact that she did in fact text. But I, I, I would not be surprised if she's texted while we were talking. She doesn't know we're talking today, but she and I talk every day. So anyway, so I sat down and wrote a letter. It was 10 pages and I worked with Lita to scale it, you know, to revise it and edit it and got it down to five pages while I was writing it. I had the epiphany that, oh, I was scaling, I was pulling away because I wasn't receiving the love languages that I wanted to receive from her. And to give a little context, Captain is a widow. Jonathan: And so I was very, I tried not to assert the things that I wanted too much. Like I wanted to be respectful of her. So some of the things that were important to me. So we were together for a year. I never once spent the night at her place. She always spent the night at my place. But I would have loved, I mean, I went over her place a lot, you know, and had dinners and movie, you know, like all that kind of stuff. But I Never once was invited to spend the night. Jonathan: And that was an important thing to me that I never expressed to her. There was her friends and family. She met. She met close friends of mine and family members of mine. I. Only outside of people that it would be important to meet immediately because they're always in our home. So, like, I have two sons. She had to meet them because it's impossible for her not to meet them because they're all. Jonathan: They're. They're here often, and vice versa. I met her, her daughter, and her sons just because they're at her place. It would have been impossible. But, I mean, outside of that, there are other family members. So. So, for example, she's met. She's met my mom. Jonathan: She's met, you know, other people that. That are close to me, and I never met anybody. Not work friends, not associates, colleagues or anything. There was one time we were supposed to, and then it fell through for whatever reason. And then. And then the other thing that was important to me, and it's because I come from a large family, so I come from a large Irish family on one side. The other side's Croatian, but they're both large. My mom was family seven. Jonathan: My dad's family of nine, and I'm the oldest grandson and cousin on both sides. But social media is the way we keep in touch with one another. And so it was important to me to acknowledge our relationship through social media. However, I didn't want to press that with her because I. You know, if she's a widow and she has her. She's still, you know, very close with her husband's relatives. Right. So. Jonathan: So I never. I never even. I did articulate. So that one I articulated and. And the wanting to meet her friends and family, I. I articulated those both, but probably not in a meaningful way, in a way that was meaningful to her to understand that it was important to me and that. And. And when looking back, when writing that letter, upon reflection, I was always like, oh, this is why I pulled. Jonathan: This is exact, exactly why I pulled away. And this is. So she picked up on that and felt like she. She had no other option to end other than to end the relationship. Amy Babish: Okay, well, I can. I can feel it's very tender. Yeah. And so when. You know, when the tenderness is there, can you describe in your own words that, like, you're realizing that you were pulling back? It was unconscious in some ways, but it was also like, this was the best. This was what you had to do because your needs weren't being met, but you didn't articulate your needs. So that's like a little bit of complicated, like infinity loop. Right. Amy Babish: So. And then she also kind of pulled back in a similar way without directly telling you. So you both were indirectly communicating, but directly communicating with your behavior. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: Right. And if we take it out of the context of you and Captain, has that dynamic ever happened in a romantic partnership before? Maybe not those flavors, but, like, you start to pull back, your partner starts to pull back, and you're not communicating well. Jonathan: Well, I mean, I wouldn't say it's not one for one exact, but maybe similar to my ex wife and I, because I am divorced. Amy Babish: Yeah. Okay. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: So. So one of the. One of the ways that I. I am tracking what. What modality we should use is I'm listening, like, more deeply, like, who. Who is speaking through you? And so I can feel like in my heart, it feels like starting. Starting to feel like, constricted. I. Amy Babish: I don't know if you feel that in your heart, but I can feel we're with somebody whose heart is constricted. Okay. Jonathan: And I don't. I don't feel it, but I did a lot, honestly, right before this, I wanted. I was like, I'm gonna get my energy levels up. I. I did. I did some exercises. I did, like some chakra work. So I'm like, I'm going to, like, shield up. Amy Babish: Okay. Okay. And, you know, for those. Those people listening, you don't ever have to go to the nth degree like Jonathan did. But that's perfect. That's his process, and we trust that. And it feels important to also give the context that when Jonathan reached out to me, he's like, hey, can I ask you some questions? And he was asking about energy practices. And we don't have to go down that rabbit hole unless you think it's relevant, Jonathan. Jonathan: Maybe just brief context, like, like high level. Amy Babish: High level. So he was like, what do you think I want to manifest this thing? And he didn't tell me it was about the relationship. I've been off track with manifesting. And what do you think about Kundalini? Kundalini energy. And then you asked me about. What was your second question? Jonathan: I don't remember. I just remember the Kundalini. Amy Babish: So it was Kundalini. And then somehow we got into the conversation about the multiverse. But in essence, I said, you know, Kundalini energy is important, and oftentimes it is really not in right relationship with what is going on when it's taught. So it's Taught out of context. It's, you know, some people use the word, it's like colonized. And when we have something that's like what I would call like what you're working on, something very precious and sacred. Kundalini kind of. Kind of can kind of be like the fire hose of manifestation. Amy Babish: And so it's like a little like overdoing it overdoes it. So that's kind of like the Cliff Notes version of this. And it's not that you can't add in Kundalini later, but I can hear now because we didn't even get into the second layer with your ex wife. But there's something that happens, and this is true for anybody who's been in a relationship that doesn't work out. When we get past the honeymoon phase. And the honeymoon phase can be. It depends on who we are. It depends on our love map, our blueprint for love and commitment. Amy Babish: So honeymoon can be on a short end, six to nine months. When there's more complexity, like ancestral complexity or systemic complexity or trauma history. The honeymoon period can be two to three years. So when we're in the honeymoon period, we're doing like, we're on our best. We're putting our best foot forward. And so any tendencies that we have to kind of protect ourselves, protect our heart, protect our systems aren't really like full on. But then when we cross the threshold from honeymoon period to like, this is getting really real. We might be headed on a shared journey or we might be committing to each other as intimacy increases. Amy Babish: Then are also our blueprint for how we are wired for love and connection. Then also shoots up So I can hear with Captain, whatever that is in your field, where it goes from one flavor. And for her it's very similar. We don't know what. What her. We're not here to work on her. But there's something that happened when you guys crossed that threshold from this is really fun. And I have. Amy Babish: I enjoy you too. We might love each other or I want it to go further or she wants it to go further. You both start to pull back with direct communication. Okay, so how does that land as we start to contextualize that? Jonathan: No, Pretty good. I mean we definitely. How do I want to. I want to think about how I say, say this. It's important to know why this is so important to me. Right. So for even a little bit more context, I. I've been in several relationships. Jonathan: I would say serious relationships apart from my marriage. Right. And today, out of all the relationships I'VE been in. I don't want to say it wasn't a lot. I mean, I would say maybe like five relationships between my ex wife and today there's only two people that I've ever said, I love you too. And she was one of them. Amy Babish: Wow. Jonathan: And like, meant it. And like legit meant it. Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah. Your. Your heart was there. Really there. Jonathan: Yeah. And. And also reciprocated from. From her. I mean, said the same thing to me. And outside of intimacy from the bedroom, there are other ways of being intimate with. With people. Whether it's like playing playing cards or going for a walk or something like that. Jonathan: Right. There are other ways of being intimate where you can't fake like you. You can, like you're just genuine and you just know. And that's. And so, like, I want to say that, and I also want to say too, that when we met and I, you know, some now, that I am where I am now in my sort of spiritual reconnection and journey, it makes a lot more sense than it did then. But when we first met, I mean, there were so many things that had to happen for us to come together. Of course, it was like. It was beyond serendipitous. Jonathan: Right? It was. If this didn't happen, then this couldn't have happened in this, and so on and so forth. And then when we met, I felt two presents I. That weren't there, but I felt the presence of my gram and I felt the presence of her husband. Amy Babish: Oh, okay. Jonathan: Like, I. I can't explain why or how. I just. And I just know that it was like their blessing that we were together. Amy Babish: Okay. Jonathan: As a matter of fact, one of her friends even later said, this is your husband's blessing. Like, this is his work. Amy Babish: Oh, wow. Jonathan: And so. And it's just. It's a shame that it fell apart the way it did. For everything to have happened, to have come together the way it did. To allow communication to be the thing that brought it broke it apart. Right. So that's why I've been working on manifesting. I'm partner manifesting with our mutual friend Lee, where she manifests for me and I manifest for her. Amy Babish: Yes. Jonathan: On her behalf. So it helps with the belief thing too. So, you know, if you have that subconscious belief block, it kind of helps with that. Anyway, I forget where we're going, but that was like I wanted to give a little. A little bit more content. Amy Babish: Yes, of course, of course. So I can hear how, how, how. I mean, the word that comes to me. You probably Might use a different word, but, like, it just feels very, like kismet. Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we met, it did. Yeah. So, like, Amy, one more thing. Yeah, of course we had to meet the day we did, because the day after I was going to Pittsburgh because my mom was having heart surgery. Amy Babish: Oh, my goodness. Wow. Jonathan: When. When I. During that. When I. I. You. You can't make this up. While I was there, her dad died of heart, heart problems. Amy Babish: Wow. Wow. So we can just name gently, like, there's a lot of interconnectedness in your shared system. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: So when I. When I'm. I'm hearing you presence, all the kind of the layers and the layers of interconnectedness, it definitely feels like it's something in the systemic field. So it doesn't mean that you and Lee, you know, teaming up with manifesting, of course that's supporting and of course that's helping. And in terms of the pattern that came up that dissolved the relationship, that's what I would call an entanglement. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: And it's. It. It doesn't. You know, it's entanglements. I'm going to talk about those a little bit. This is a little bit different than the usual flavor of entanglement that I speak about on. On the podcast. So this is as much for you as it is for the listeners. Amy Babish: So typically, an entanglement is. No matter what I throw at something, it doesn't really shift when my regular practices, like if. If we're saying manifestation is your primary go, to which you seem to be a massive manifester. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: Like getting the house, getting the promotion. Yeah, yeah. Like, we can name other things, but you and I will. You know, that's enough for the Cliff Notes of this show. So if manifestation is the main way you do it, and then something in you is like, I manifested this woman who seems like my beloved, and then all of a sudden, it dissolved. When it's entanglement, we can't use the same strategy to dissolve the entanglement. And so. And I'll. Amy Babish: So an entanglement is basically. And this is not like I'm not telling you the truth. I'm not telling you to believe, but this is kind of a way to conceptualize it. When we incarnate, we're like, this is my curriculum. This is what I came here to learn, do be, receive, you know, digest. And oftentimes we pick the blood lineages that we're born into to understand some really complex and painful things. And as I know you for all these years, you are also A very old soul. As am I. Amy Babish: And when you've had a lot of past lives, we. We've tried to do this in other lifetimes. We've tried to do this in other lineages, and we intentionally pick the bloodlineages that were in this lifetime kind of like as an exclamation point, so. So that we won't miss the stuff that we've tried to figure out in other places. And so knowing you all these years and know, like, you have such, you know, that's one of the things that was coming through as you were talking. You have such a huge heart. Like, you have a ginormous heart. It's like every. Amy Babish: I've known you all these years. I'm making him cry. I'm tearing up, too. You have such a huge heart. You are. You are one of the. You know, I've been on his podcast, too, and we've talked a lot about anti racism. And it's not just because he understands spirituality. Amy Babish: For those of you who are like, oh, that's why she's saying that. No, there's a deep. You're such a deep person who happens to be a white man, which is cisgender white man, which is quite complex in these days. And you have the wish to have deeper conversations with other men. And you're just like a really special soul who really, in my words, like, you want wholeness not just for yourself, but for your boys and for the world. I asked him to bring tissues. I didn't know we're going to go here. But this is important to name. Amy Babish: So when someone, you know, everyone has different flavors, different gifts, and knowing that's part of what you really bring to this lifetime. And I have a sense it's from many lifetimes. It makes complete sense to me that you would choose a curriculum that's like, I'm going to figure out romantic partnership and what I can hear. You know, we're focusing through the lens of Captain, but I know your divorce was really painful. Very, very painful. Jonathan: Really painful. Yeah. Amy Babish: And I don't know about the other. I don't know if that's the other woman you loved or if there's another woman in between. Jonathan: No, that's not. No, Just my ex wife and captain. Amy Babish: So to know that you, when you, like, love somebody you love with your whole, like the soul of eternity. Jonathan: Yes, pretty much. Pretty much, yeah. Amy Babish: Yeah. And so it's so painful to then have it go away. And so the loss of love with another person, like a beloved, is very complex. And. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: There's nothing you can Google that explains this kind of heartbreak. And you know, one of the things that Lee pointed you towards was like doing some somatic work. And the interesting thing about somatic work, because this has been coming up in conversation this week with other clients, is that when it's not an entanglement of our blood or soul lineages, somatic work is very powerful. And it, and it works, it does what it needs to do. When it is something that we are carrying an entanglement or residue from another lifetime, from another context or from an ancestor, there's no amount of somatic work that's going to make this feel better. So I want to be as strategic as possible with how I provide the support. And I want to clarify that somatic work might be helpful for other things for you, but it's not going to touch. Jonathan: Okay. I trust you. Amy Babish: So we're going to, we're going to, we're going to begin the process of doing an alchemical family and systems constellation. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: And so what we need to do it is your intention which we have manifesting the most loving, caring, nurturing relationship possible with Captain. And then the entanglement is that whenever you really love deeply and fully, which is very specific and doesn't happen often. Jonathan: Correct. Amy Babish: That you have had massive, massive heartbreak. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: Does that sound right? Jonathan: Yes. Amy Babish: And then we also, we also know the other layer is that when you really love someone, something happens for you and the. And your beloved, that you start to pull away. And they start to pull away. And it deals with communication. Jonathan: Yes. Amy Babish: Does that sound right for both times? Jonathan: Yes. Amy Babish: Okay. So with this process, I don't have the answers. I stay behind the questions. And that's a very like wisdom based practice. I stay behind the medicine questions and, and so I don't know the ending. I don't know what's going to happen. And I do trust you. I trust your soul. Amy Babish: I trust your systemic field. I've known you for all these years. So we're going to, we're going to go in. How does that sound to you? Jonathan: Okay. All right, let's do it. Amy Babish: So the first thing we do after kind of setting the intention, renaming the intention and the entanglements is that we tune in. And so Jonathan loves radio. So we're going to go to 101.5. So, okay, this is the tune in. And when we tune in your systemic field, you're going to close your eyes and I'm going to close my eyes. Your systemic field is going to give both of Us. An image. Yeah. Jonathan: Question. Question. Should I take off my glasses? This is something I always wonder. I need glasses for, like, close up. But, like, when I'm not anything else, I don't. Amy Babish: You don't have to see me. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: Yeah. It's gonna be. It's gonna be like your internal process. So. Jonathan: Yeah, glasses off. Amy Babish: Yeah, glasses off. So you're gonna kind of feel the back of your chair, feel the. Feel your seat, and you're just gonna ask your systemic field. And some people get images, some people get words. We're gonna ask your system appeal to take us to what this is about. And they might give you music because you're both. We're both very musical. We get it in all kinds of ways. Jonathan: Okay, so what do I breathe? How do I start? Amy Babish: Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can breathe and just. You're gonna just notice, like, help me to know what this entanglement is about. Jonathan: Should I say that? Should I, like, literally, verbally say, some. Amy Babish: People need to speak out loud and other people just say to themselves. So you can try on different. And try on different ways. And when you have something, let me know what you get. Jonathan: Oh, man. I just feel so much pressure, though, I have to say, Amy, I feel, like, pressure to perform. Amy Babish: Okay. And that. And we can ask, who am I standing with that has pressure to perform? Jonathan: Right. Okay. Amy Babish: Yeah. You mentioned, you know, at the beginning of this relationship, Captain's husband was there and your gram was there, and so they might. They might have to deal with this. And it's okay if you don't get an image. I got something that is in. In one of your languages. So you can just kind of loosely just ask, you know, where does this entanglement belong? Who does it belong to? Jonathan: Where does this entanglement belong? Who does it belong to? I don't know. Right now I'm seeing images of my mom's mom and my mom's dad. I don't know. For some reason, they're just there. Amy Babish: Okay. They're just there. So. So we're going to do different layers of tuning in. Would you like to hear my tune in? Jonathan: Sure. Amy Babish: It's. It's. Jonathan: I mean, not sure. Yes. Amy Babish: It's optional. So your field gave me a Pearl Jam song. Jonathan: Okay. Awesome. Amy Babish: Yeah, of course. Jonathan: Naturally. Makes sense. Amy Babish: Your field is very specific. And they gave me. I think it's called who Are We? Jonathan: Who you are. Amy Babish: Yeah. Who you are. Yeah. So they started singing about the line about transcendent. Jonathan: Transcendent. Amy Babish: Yeah. You can sing it for the listeners. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: Yeah. So That's. So they're letting me know that it's related to, like, they showed me some water. Like, it felt like the ocean, and they gave me, like, it felt very much like what the field is showing as a possibility is their experience is your experience, and your experience is their experience. Jonathan: Wait, say that again. I'm sorry. I was tracking, and then. Amy Babish: That's okay. So it. Like, when. When they were. They were kind of like weaving the lines of the song with the. With the imagery. Kind of like how the ocean comes in and the ocean goes out. It's like, who. Amy Babish: Who are you? We are who you are. Jonathan: You are. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah. Like they were showing. Jonathan: Oh, my. That's wild, because talking about partner manifesting, Lee had a vision of her in an ocean, kind of going back and forth, undulating. Amy Babish: Yep. Jonathan: Until it brought her to shore. Amy Babish: Yeah. So the. The field speaks in mysterious ways. And for those of you who are like, who is this Lee? Lee is a medium and a psychic. And I don't know if she knew that growing up, but she is. She's known in that way now. Jonathan: So long time, mutual friend of both of ours. Amy Babish: Long time, long time in the field, and we're from a place called Moon Township, so you can't make this stuff up. Jonathan: That is so true. Amy Babish: Yes. So next we go into. We check directly, even though we heard from your maternal grandparents, we go in and we're going to ask for your mom, her kind of her essence, her soul to come behind your left shoulder. And you're going to ask her, do you carry this pattern of really deeply? Jonathan: She already said yes. Amy Babish: Okay. Yes. Your mom says a yes, and then we have to bring your dad, too. So your dad's going to come behind your right shoulder, and you're going to ask him, do you care? This pattern. Jonathan: He's getting philosophical, but then he says yes. Amy Babish: Okay, so this is the interesting thing. When both of our bloodlines carry it, that's kind of like my checks and balances for knowing that this is most likely related to a past life. So for those of you who are listening, buckle up. It's going to be a wild ride. So next we're going to go back in, and we're going to ask your soul to take us to the past. Jonathan: Life where this started for you to ask my soul. All right, so I've connected with my soul before, but ask it to do what again? I apologize. Amy Babish: That's okay. This is perfect because this is what happens in real life when we're not on a podcast. You're Going to ask your soul. Take me to the lifetime where this pattern started for me, where I fall deeply in love and then I experience communication problems and then withdraw and then the relationship ends. Jonathan: Okay. All right. I don't know why, but I'm getting images of World War I, France, like, in trenches, writing, like, letters that I don't. I can't explain that. Amy Babish: Yeah, this. This is right on. Yeah. So. So we don't have to know all of our past lives. You don't have to do a past life regression. Like, our soul will just tell us. So you're going to ask your soul. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: Tell me the context of what you know. Looks like I was a soldier. Who was I in love with? What was that about? Jonathan: Just. All I can see is that at least. I don't know if this is. This is different for me. Right. But it. It feels like I'm writing to somebody who. Out of a relationship with, who doesn't understand why I'm at war. Jonathan: And they're. They're back in France and I'm like, there's mustard gas. Like, there's, like, things I'm seeing. I don't know. Amy Babish: So this. This is right on. So we're gonna. You're gonna start by explaining to this man. You're gonna say, I'm Jonathan. I'm in the year 2025. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: And you and I share a part of the same soul. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: And how does he respond to that when he hears that from you? Jonathan: He was like. Well, it was kind of funny because he was like, I'm in this crazy war. So this doesn't. Why not? It's basically like this kind of like, almost like makes perfect sense because nothing else is making sense in the world right now. So this makes perfect sense. Amy Babish: Yeah. So you can say to him, do you know you're dead? Jonathan: Okay. He says. He said, not at the moment. Amy Babish: Yeah. So you're gonna. You're gonna say, I'm sorry. Jonathan: It was really funny the way he responded. Amy Babish: Right. He's French. He's Good sense of humor. He's a war. He has to do some. Some kind of, like, bring. Bringing some aliveness to this. So sometimes the people in the past life can hear me talking, and sometimes they can only hear you. Amy Babish: So you can ask him, do you hear the woman that's talking? Jonathan: He does this thing where he's like, I only. I only have room for one woman in my life. Amy Babish: Great. So if we're going to speak directly so you can say to him, I'm working with somebody here. In 2025. Who's going to help us? Jonathan: Okay. He says. He says, I need more. More than that kind of help right now. He's like, look around. Amy Babish: Yeah, so. So we're going to explain to him. And you. Jonathan: He's really funny. Amy Babish: Of course, because you're funny. You share the same soul and you also have. You work. You were in the military. Jonathan: That's true. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: Until you said that, I totally forgot. Amy Babish: Yeah. And you write love letters. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah, I do. Oh, my God, I do. Amy Babish: So you can say. You can say to him, the reason why you can't get out of this war is because you're actually dead. Jonathan: You say, well, that sucks. Amy Babish: Yeah. So you can say, where would you like to go to? You can invite him to lead you. Where would you like to go to have this conversation? Jonathan: He wants to go to, like. What is the French word? Like a boulangerie. Amy Babish: Okay. Yeah. Jonathan: So, yeah, he wants a. He wants a baguette. Amy Babish: Yeah. Yep. So let's. Let's go break bread with him. And so we're going to explain to him that these are the words that we use in constellation work. And you can break it down into Jonathan, speak. When we are entangled with someone, especially part of our own soul, we call it a soul fractal. So he is a fractal. Amy Babish: He. He carries a fractal of a shared soul. Jonathan: I'm so sorry. I have my phone on silent except for it goes off at 143, which is I love you. Amy Babish: Oh, is that for you, Rogers? Jonathan: What? Mr. Rogers? One is I, four is love, and three is you. I love you. Amy Babish: There we go. There we go. Sorry, that's the field coming through. That's the field coming through. There's no problem. I couldn't hear it at all. Jonathan: Yeah. Okay. Amy Babish: So you can. You can say to him, we share a soul. And. And part of my soul is stuck with you in this lifetime. Jonathan: Okay. It's, like, weird, but okay. Amy Babish: Yeah. He's like, yeah, this. It's going to get weird, buddy. I'm sorry. And so then you can say, part of my life force is going to you in this past life. Jonathan: He's like, well, if I'm dead, I need all the life force I can get. Amy Babish: Yeah. There's another. Jonathan: He's like, very. I. I like this guy. We would be. We be tight. Amy Babish: We be. You share the same soul. Of course. Of course you like him. Yeah. So you're going to explain to him, I am repeating your experience with your beloved, and I've done it with Two women now in this lifetime. Jonathan: He was like, well, learn from your mistakes, dummy. Amy Babish: Yes. So you can say that's one way to do it, but it doesn't work like that. When we're. We're tethered to each other's souls, it's. If it was that simple, it would not be a soul entanglement. Jonathan: Right. Amy Babish: So. Jonathan: Okay, so hold on. Let me explain that to him. Amy Babish: Yep. Yeah, you can explain that to him. Jonathan: He's like, well, all right, if I'm dead, I guess I have to accept this. Okay. So. Amy Babish: So we can ask him what was happening with his beloved before he went to war. Jonathan: I see a picture of her in a. In a. Like, a summer dress that would be appropriate for that time. They're kind of embracing. And she's pleading with him not to go. Amy Babish: Okay. So communication was at the heart of it. And ask him how did he communicate to her when she pled, please don't go? Jonathan: He basically fell back on ideal. I. You know, like, country ideolog, country specific ideology. Amy Babish: Okay. Jonathan: You know, liberty, fraternity. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: And to, like, protect those. In order to have the, like, the kind of love that they need, somebody has to protect it. Amy Babish: Okay. Jonathan: And if he didn't, he'd be betraying that love. Amy Babish: Okay. And. Jonathan: But I don't know if he's like. Hold on, let me ask him. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: If he actually said those. Yeah, yeah, Said that. He said. He. Not really. Not as specifically as he should have. Yeah. Amy Babish: So you can say to him, I am loyal to your inability to say what's on my heart to my beloved. Jonathan: Wait, I'm sorry, can you repeat that? Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah. I am loyal or I belong to your inability to say what's on your heart to your beloved when things get complex. Jonathan: Okay. All right. Okay. Amy Babish: And I wouldn't work. I wouldn't work this out for both of us. Jonathan: Okay. So he just kind of nodded and, like, took a sip of coffee or something. Amy Babish: Okay. So we're gonna do another wild thing. We're gonna invite his beloved in so she can join. Jonathan: Oh, she's already there. Amy Babish: Okay. Yeah, yeah. So he can hear me. He's just being playful. I can tell he's being. Yes. Yeah. He is being coy. Amy Babish: So what is it like for him to see her? Jonathan: Joy. Amy Babish: Yeah. So does she know she's dead? Jonathan: No. Amy Babish: Yeah. So they have been stuck in time because they've been disconnected through this heartbreak. And so you can explain to her, too, that you're from the year 2025. And Mon Dieu. Jonathan: She said Mon Dieu. I know. Amy Babish: I Know you can't make this up and that you share a soul with her beloved and that you continue to play out their love story with the two great loves of your life in this lifetime. Jonathan: She kind of shares a similar sense of humor. She said, good luck. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: She said. She said, bonus rules. Amy Babish: So. So you can explain to her, you know, is this the first time you guys are seeing each other? And. Jonathan: Yes. She says yes. Amy Babish: You know, almost 90. 90 years. Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. Amy Babish: So you can say to him, this is your time to say what you couldn't say to her back then. Jonathan: Oh, man. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah. Take your time. Jonathan: I wasn't ready for that. Amy Babish: Yeah. What happened, that was really powerful. Yeah. Jonathan: Just got emotion. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: You can't explain it just crashed over me like. Like a wave. Amy Babish: Like a wave. Yeah. Yeah. Take your time. Jonathan: Damn it. Amy Babish: It's okay to swear on my podcast, too. You know that about me. Jonathan: Do it in French. Amy Babish: Yeah. Drink some water. Yeah. Jonathan: Oh, that was intense. Amy Babish: Okay, so what's happening between them as. As he shares. He doesn't hold back. Jonathan: Still going. Yeah, it's still going. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah. Jonathan: It's just pure love. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You share a soul that's filled with pure love, that lives through eternity. Jonathan: This is not what I was expecting. Amy Babish: Sorry. Yeah, yeah. This is a big release for your soul. For his soul and for her soul. Jonathan: There's the love still there. I just feel some gratitude mixed in now, too. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what's the gratitude related to reunification? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jonathan: That's amazing. Amy Babish: Yeah. And is she able to talk to him now after he finishes? Jonathan: They both just want to enjoy it a little bit longer. Amy Babish: Yeah, of course they can. They're going to have all of eternity to do it. Yeah. This first reconnection is very sweet. It's been building for 90 years. Yeah. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: Okay. So when I'm gonna say it's also over 100 years. Sorry. For those who are historians who are listening. So we want to ask her, because this is an important question. We want to ask her, did she ever have a child with him before he left for the war? Jonathan: I mean, I'm getting nothing. Amy Babish: Okay, so ask her. Jonathan: Assuming no. I'm assuming no. Amy Babish: Okay, so ask her, did she live as a widow? Jonathan: Yes. Amy Babish: Yeah. So you can say to both of them, I'm entangled with a woman who's a widow, and she's. Your love story is being played out in our life. Jonathan: She just. She put her hand on my end. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jonathan: I don't want to leave this Place, Amy. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's part of it. That's how loyal you are, that your loyalty and your life force are. Are stuck in this time, stuck in this lifetime. So we're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna work on it. So you can say to them, I really, you know, in your own way, I really want you two to be together for all eternity. Amy Babish: And I need to have my soul back. Jonathan: Nothing would make them happier. Amy Babish: Yeah. And so we're gonna ask the three of you to tune in if we feel like we need to. To invite in Captain to stand beside. Beside you. Jonathan: I'm sorry, hold on. I needed to take a drink and. Amy Babish: Yeah, take. Take a drink. Take a drink. Oh, yeah, yeah. Take your time. Jonathan: Get some. Let me get some breaths. Amy Babish: Get some breaths. Jonathan: Breaths in. Amy Babish: Yeah, Just feel your seat. Yeah. And they can hold your hand. Yeah, they see you. They really see you. And you. You. You did this reunification, Jonathan. Amy Babish: You facilitated this by being brave enough to face the pain, the heartbreak, your shared heartbreak, your shared agony, the shared confusion about fully communicating when you love somebody. Jonathan: Okay, I'm ready. Amy Babish: Okay. So you can. You can ask them. The three of you can tune in. I can't tell right now if Captain is also entangled or if it's just the three of you who are entangled. Jonathan: I only say the three of us right now. Amy Babish: Okay. Jonathan: So, I mean, I feel like there's flickering or something, but. Amy Babish: Okay, so. And. And you will feel it. So it's very clear that you're entangled with the soldier. Yeah, but sometimes we can be entangled with someone's relationship and they come into our body, and sometimes there's a fourth person, which would be Captain. Captain. So we're going to first start with the soldier. You're gonna, you know, look at him and express all the gratitude, all the gifts, all the gifts that he has, the big love, the ability to repair, the ability to, you know, stand in his integrity and his ability to allow, like, a full reunification. Amy Babish: All those gifts, you can. They can live in you, too. Jonathan: He received it. I sent it to him. He received it. Yeah. Amy Babish: Yeah. You express that gratitude, and now you're going to say, I take the soul fractal back from you, and that part of my soul comes. Comes home to me now. Jonathan: Okay. He. He smiled and. And sort of, like, released it willingly. Amy Babish: Okay. And so with his beloved, you can say something similar to her. It's a little bit different because she was able to communicate. She was able to say, please don't go. But you get to Modify it however you need. Jonathan: What do I need to do with her now? I'm sorry. Amy Babish: So you can say to her, we. Jonathan: Were both looking at you so confused. Amy Babish: Yes. So you can say to her, you and I have been entangled two different than your beloved. But I have been loyal to falling in love with a widow to. To fulfill this. This love contract between the two of you to bring you back together. Jonathan: We are still both. I'm sorry. And yeah, you and I are both looking at you very confused. Amy Babish: Okay. So this tells me this. This helps me to know it's not actually, you're not entangled with her. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: So we're going to invite captain in beside you. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: Her soul. Jonathan: Oh, I just felt her in my stomach. Amy Babish: Yeah. So you're going to explain to her the kind of Cliff Notes of this is a past life that you and I were in where I was a soldier and we lived in France. It was during World War I, and we stopped communicating because I went to war and I couldn't tell you what was on my heart. You pull back and you became a widow. Because I died in the war. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: And to explain that you didn't know the origin of your love story. And the origin of the love story is in these two people right here. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: And you're doing a process to take your soul back and to allow them to die in peace and to be reunited. And it seems that she is entangled with. With the woman. Okay. How does all that land, as I explained, explain that to her relief. Yeah. Jonathan: Under, like, understanding. Amy Babish: Yeah. So she may feel like she tried to tell you what she needed, but for whatever that is, whatever that looks like, it's not apples to apples, like, you're not going to war, but you couldn't hear her. And that's the connection between the woman in France and the man at war. Their pattern. Does that make sense? Jonathan: I'm sorry. They are all introducing each other. Amy Babish: Okay. Okay. I'll let the process happen. Jonathan: And it's very convivial. Amy Babish: Yes. All the. All the French words are coming today. Jonathan: Is convivial French. It probably is French, huh? Amy Babish: Yes. Jonathan: Yeah, we adopted it. Awesome. Okay. Amy Babish: Okay. So whenever you're ready, you can explain to Captain the similarities. Like she has. Jonathan: She already understands them. Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah. So she has the opportunity to receive the gifts from that part of her soul, but take the soul fractal back so that she can have more of her soul back in her physical body in this lifetime. Jonathan: Yeah. And so it's a communication going between both widows. Amy Babish: Yep. Yep. Jonathan: And it's like a mutual understanding. Amy Babish: And so Captain. Captain can say to the widow, I don't have to be loyal to dying alone because you did. Yeah, yeah. Jonathan: It's like a bright light shone on our little table too, at the same time. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jonathan: That struck a chord with her. Amy Babish: Yeah. Loyalty. Loyalty in that way isn't love. The flow of life can't continue when we let our life force go backwards. Jonathan: Now there's sort of gratitude, Mutual. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: Going between the two of them. Amy Babish: And so this French woman can give her blessing and express in her own way what it was like to reunite after death with her beloved. But she doesn't have to wait for that. Captain does have to wait for you to die, to be reunited. Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. She. Everybody understands. Yeah, yeah. Amy Babish: And so we're now going to call in a resource. And this resource is one that can dissolve contracts, confusion, agreements. Anything that lives between the four of you about an oath or an understanding. Anything, any kind of word that feels like that around refusing to communicate out of righteousness or mind reading with love. Like, if this person loved me, they would know this or do this. Anything that, Anything at all that has lived within their lifetime, in your lifetime, that doesn't allow love to be whole and complete. Jonathan: What's the. What's the resource? Amy Babish: Oh, okay, So I didn't know. You're so quick, Jonathan. I didn't know if that was coming. So it can be anything that is meaningful. Jonathan: I see the archangel. Amy Babish: That's perfect. I was like, it really can be. Anything in this field is pretty strong. So I thought the sword. Jonathan: An archangel with a sword. Amy Babish: So that's Archangel Michael. So Archangel Michael can cut all the. All the con. All the cords, all the contracts, all the agreements, any confusion, and he can allow each of you to be four distinct people. The French couples separate but reconnected in a healthy way. Whole way in the afterlife. And they can be at peace. Jonathan: And then I feel that. I feel they. Wow. That is powerful. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah. Jonathan: And now for the listeners, there's lots of tears streaming down my face right now. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: So many tears. Amy Babish: This is lifetimes of tears. Yeah. I have a sense that you have repeated this in many lifetimes. Yeah. Okay, so now you and Captain can have Archangel Michael come. And it's like, it's kind of like a multi directional cut. So it's like between you and you and the soldier, between you and the widow from the French window, between you and Captain. So it's. Amy Babish: It's a whole new energetic, a whole new wholeness to a Healthy relationship that has two way. Communication, love, two ways commitment, two ways transparency, two ways. Jonathan: I feel it. It feels open. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jonathan: It's amazing. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: Now there's just peace all. Everywhere. So all I have is a sense of peace and, like, gratitude. And a French couple are, like, eager to say goodbye. I don't know. Amy Babish: Yes. On cue. They're ready. So. So they can. They can go and dissolve into the ether. And now we have a little bit of loose end to type for you. And Captain can. Amy Babish: Come on. Come along for the ride if she'd like. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: So we're gonna bring you back into your blood lineage, and Captain can be to the side. She can kind of be a witness. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: So you're gonna face your parents and your lineage. So your maternal lineage down behind my. Behind your mom, like a long line. And then your. That's the Croatian side and the Irish side behind your dad. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: And so you can say to them in the most authentic. Jonathan way. This lineage has carried a lot of heartbreak around. Communication and love lost. And I chose this lineage because I wanted to come and help with it. Yeah. Take a breath. Just let your. Amy Babish: Let yourself make a sigh. Jonathan, what's happening for you? Jonathan: It's like an acknowledgment. Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan: I got this sense there was a reason I was the firstborn. Grandchild, cousin, son came to this moment. Amy Babish: Yeah. That your mom started to repair her heart. Right. Right. As you met Captain. And oftentimes we have physical heart challenges. We need the emotional and spiritual support, too. Jonathan: I hear both my mom and my dad saying there's a reason we named you Atlas, and this is it. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: So that you would have the strength to do this. Amy Babish: Yeah. The courage. The courage. So we're going to end up. We're going to invite in Archangel Michael, and Archangel Michael is going to cut all of the confusion, all of the cords, all of the agreements, all of the resentment, all the punishment, all of the victimhood, all of the perpetration around love and heartbreak and withholding communication and withholding love. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: Between. Jonathan: It is. It is done. It literally the words, it is done. Amy Babish: It is done. It is done. Yeah. And so is there anything else you want to say to your parents? Jonathan: Just gratitude. Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah. So you can say thank you for the life that you both gave me. Jonathan: They said they're not usually like this. They're not usually cheeky like this, but they said you're the one that chose it. We didn't choose it for you. Amy Babish: Yeah. You're soul did. We're in the soul level right now. Jonathan: Yeah. Which is really funny because they're not like that. I mean, they have a sense of humor, but it's not like that. Amy Babish: Yeah. They can be free here. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: So you can say to them whenever you're ready, I'm ready to take my life back from both of you and from the lineages. Jonathan: They already do. Ask how. They ask. Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you can say to them if it feels. If they're willing. Can you please give me your blessing? Can you please give Captain and I the blessing to be together safely and holy? Jonathan: Of course. Amy Babish: Yeah. And so you see, like. Jonathan: Like emphatically, like, enthusiastically, they're celebrating. Amy Babish: Yes. Yeah. So you. You're gonna say, I'm willing to. I'm willing to try again with a whole different program. And you can look. Look at Captain in front of your family and say, I'm ready to manifest the most loving, caring, nurturing relationship possible with you in a whole different way. Where we communicate. Jonathan: She sees it. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: She's. She's lighting up too. Amy Babish: Yeah. We can communicate directly and be brave and courageous and not hold back rather than pulling away when we don't get what we want or think the other person knows. Jonathan: It's like we're embracing and the light inside of us is doubling. Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah. Is there anything else you want to say to Captain or in this. In this space with your ancestors, just love and gratitude. Yeah. Yeah. And you can say to her, in this space, this is what I want in our relationship. I want to. Amy Babish: I want to be connected to your whole system, to your friends, to your family. I want to share my whole life with you, my whole system with you, because that's how much I love you. Jonathan: She says it's beautiful. Amy Babish: Yeah. And what does she want for you? What did she hold back? Jonathan: Just. It was more like acknowledgment. And. And she just keeps saying, it's beautiful. Amy Babish: Yeah. And so you can say to her, if she. If her human has concerns about pacing because she's a widow, you invite her to tell you directly not to pull back. Jonathan: Yeah. She acknowledges. Amy Babish: Yeah. And if there's not nothing else that needs to be said or expressed, you can kind of just gently wiggle your fingers and toes. You can shrug your shoulders. You can have some water, blow your nose. Jonathan: Yeah. Definitely need to do that. Amy Babish: I chose lavender. Jonathan: Expecting this today. I was like, you're gonna ask me to do all this stuff. It's gonna be cool. I did all my. My work ahead of time, my energy work. I'M good to go wrong. Amy Babish: Well, you did the work that made this possible. So everybody's system's different. Everybody's system works differently. Yeah. So, yeah. Take your time. How are you doing? Jonathan: I feel like I just time traveled. Well, I guess I did in a sense, but, like, I feel like the physical sensation of, like, this is what it feels like to. To travel through time. Amy Babish: Yeah. To be in space. Quantum field. We were in the quantum field, and Jonathan and I have had many conversations over the years and even on his podcast about the multiverse and how everything's interconnected and. Yes. Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, that was Amy. That was one of the most powerful. Amy Babish: Experiences I've ever had in this lifetime, Jonathan. In this lifetime. Jonathan: In this lifetime. Yeah. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jonathan: Thank you. I can't thank you enough for that. Amy Babish: It's my honor. It's my honor. Yeah. I think about, you know, the interconnected path and our interconnected path and. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: You know, I. Jonathan: We have the same birthday. Amy Babish: Yeah. You can't make these things. And that. We've been in contact off and on throughout all the years for this. For this moment, and I'm sure many other reasons, too, but for this moment is very specific. Jonathan: Wow. I was thinking about you earlier because I knew we were doing this thing, but I was thinking about how when you were on my podcast, you had mentioned the fact that you evolve at the rate of a comet, and I'm thinking I've been evolving a lot, too. I don't know if it's a rate of a comet, but it's up there right now. I feel like I've been doing a lot of that lately. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, yeah. For those of you who have never heard this about me, I was very, very, very, very shy and introverted in middle school and high school, through college a bit, but I was very, very awkward. And Jonathan's the year ahead of me. But in my year, I was so awkward that I would talk with my shirt over my mouth and my AP History teacher would call me Goof Troop. So I had this really awkward nickname. No. I don't know if anyone else really saw me that way, but I was. I saw myself that way. Jonathan: I never saw you that way. No, I never did. Amy Babish: So, you know, I continued to kind of have contact with certain people in my life throughout all that time, and Jonathan is one of them. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: And I've been so thankful for that, for that fact. Every. Every year in a birthday, we always exchange happy birthday messages and. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: It's been a pleasure to know you all These years and all these different evolutions of yourself and. Yeah, so with this work you want to be really gentle with yourself, so you want to hydrate. So there's a lot of technical parts of this work that I don't name necessarily, but just like when kind of quote unquote. It's like a wives tale that you should drink water when you feel like you're gonna get sick because it helps flush things out. The immune system works in all kinds of ways and it has its own consciousness. So for you, you want to drink a lot of water. So I know you love coffee, but lay off a coffee water. Jonathan: Lay off coffee. All right, got the water. Amy Babish: So you might have like one cup in the morning, but like really let your system really flush. This is going to be a huge flush out for you. Jonathan: I just, I just came off of a three day fast, so. Amy Babish: Oh, okay. Jonathan: I just flushed. I just flushed my system. Amy Babish: You're ready for this. And even though right now when we're recording, it's going into like the warmest time of the year. No cold things for breakfast. Like you want to be really easy in your physical digestive. Physical digestive system to allow your emotional and spiritual system to digest and then make sure you leave time to be in nature. This is your flavor. This isn't everyone's favorite, but I know Jonathan pretty well. Like you want to, you want to have time with silence to just like let, let the, like the land you live on. Amy Babish: I don't know, the land of the middle of Pennsylvania. Jonathan: Yeah. Dead in Pennsylvania. Yeah. I think that's why my house is named Amo by the way. Because it's like Amish country out here. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah. Jonathan: It occurred to me after the fact I was like, oh, that makes sense. Amy Babish: So you can ask your house to help you integrate. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: You can put a symbol in your home. That's a little shui thing you can put a symbol of. It can be. Jonathan: I've been asking my flowers for perfect. Yeah, I've been talking to them every, every morning, feeding them, talking to them. Amy Babish: Like ask them to help this integrate for you and for your house and for the land. And then ask your blood ancestors to help disintegrate. And then also just your soul as a whole. Those ways it can like really just get in. Kind of like sand filtering through water is just going to settle it. You'll feel it when it like really drops in fully. And some people it takes 24 hours, some people it takes three months, some people takes a year. So I can't and just spending time every day, like, being with your takeaways, your aha's, like, oh, this is what I can feel, how this is integrating. Jonathan: And it just feels light. I feel lighter than what I feel. Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then being with Archangel Michael, if anything comes up, because that was the resource that came, and he is. He's the archangel that. It's. They're non gendered. Even though he has a masculine name, they're non gendered. They have the sword. So not every archangel has a sword. Amy Babish: Archangel Michael is the angel of protection. Jonathan: Is that blue flame? Does that. Does that make sense? Does that resonate? Amy Babish: Blue? Yes. Blue. Yeah. Like a royal blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jonathan: Oh, wow. Amy Babish: When. When my daughter. Jonathan: It was so vivid. Like, it was. I could. Yeah. Amy Babish: Oh, yeah. It's very. When my daughter was little, I would teach her how to make a blue Archangel Michael bubble over our house. Jonathan: Oh, wow. Amy Babish: So you can do. You don't need that at this point. But for those. Those listening, you know, when my daughter was like, two and three, I would teach her how to do that. So Archangel Michael can be a support in many different ways, a great resource for many things, but asking Archangel Michael to, like, update any of the energy in your home. Jonathan: I want to be able to see you again there. Amy Babish: I am allowing Archangel Michael to update anything in the land in your home. You use technology a lot in your computer. Those will be ways to kind of make sure everything's being updated, not just you. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: And then when you feel like it's like there, you might. You might reach out in a different way to Captain. Jonathan: Okay. Awesome. Amy Babish: Do you have any questions? Any. Anything else you want to name? Jonathan: No, I mean, I. I mix. I'm so excited to meditate later today and just feel the different. The difference. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: Like, I already feel different. I understand what you're saying about, like, you have to kind of ease into it too, because I do feel different. Amy Babish: Yeah, you are different. Yeah. Jonathan: So that makes sense to me. Yeah, it's like. It's like. It feels like, you know, I've had surgery twice in my life or something like that, major surgeries, and it feels like one of those times where you're coming out of. Off of anesthesia. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: Off the. Off the anesthetic and. Yeah. Amy Babish: Yep. We went to another place. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: Yeah. As you know, this is a question I get a lot like, not just because you're a man, but because you've never worked with me in this way before. We never had a conversation like this. What was it like to do this process for you. Jonathan: Powerful. It's. I don't even know how else to describe it. It was not. I was open to it, of course, so you have to, like, I, like, if I was resistant, like, there, I don't think it would work. So you have to be open to it. And I, I, you know, had thought, oh, we're going to go into somatic work. All right. Jonathan: I, I, I don't know anything about it. I just, I feel like it has, I don't. And I could be totally wrong, but I feel like it has, like, you're going to tell me to, like, touch my neck or touch, pull my ears or something like that. I don't know. Like, that's what I was expecting and to, to do what we did even. Oh. So I saw that on the list and I was like, oh, that, like, that came out to me as interesting. I was like, but, but our mutual friend Lee said, you should try somatic work. Jonathan: And I said, okay. But this, this was, it was so powerful. The experiences and, and the more I trusted it, what I was seeing and doing, the, the stronger the images became. Amy Babish: Yeah. Jonathan: And the responses. Right. So it's like I had to give in to the process and, like, Trust. Amy Babish: Yeah. Surrender. You surrendered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jonathan: And just allowed it. And, and when I did that, it just became so. It was like you and I talking right now. It was the same thing. Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan: It was crazy. Not crazy. It was, it was like a good way. Amy Babish: Yeah. Unexpected. Jonathan: Yeah. Can I just out of curiosity, because at the beginning I had mentioned that I said, I bet you any money. Lee. Amy Babish: Yes. Jonathan: Message. I just want to see if that's true. Amy Babish: We'll see. Jonathan: Just, Just to kind of, just to kind of see. Just to kind of put a, A ribbon on that. Swear. No joke. I swear to you, if I can bring this into focus. She totally did. Hold on, let me bring it up. Amy Babish: Let's see. Jonathan: All she's, all she said was, I, oh, I love this. Amy Babish: Oh, thank you. Jonathan: It's not, it's not in context, obviously, because she doesn't know what we were talking about, but I feel like it is in context. She just doesn't understand that it isn't part of the context. So, Lee, if you ever listen to. Amy Babish: This, thank you for your blessing. Lee. Jonathan: Yes. Amy Babish: What a, What a wild and wonderful conversation process. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have had it any other way. So each person that I work with, everyone's system's different. Everyone's soul is different. And so we've not done a love story yet. We had a couple on and the couple has a new child. It's the cat and will episode. We did a 90 minute session with a tantric process in it for those listening. Amy Babish: And then we also had a couple on her house therapy. And we've had three couples on so far, but this is the first one where a love story is involved. So thank you for trusting me and thank you for sharing, of course, your soul's journey. Jonathan: You're one of the most trusted trusting persons on the planet that I know. Amy Babish: Thank you, Jonathan. Thank you. Jonathan: I, I easy to trust, I should say, you know, both apply. Amy Babish: My, my intention is to always be of service. Jonathan: And I just want to know how you, I mean, seeing that emotional outpour, like you must see that often and that has to on some level affect your energy as well. Like I, I don't quite understand how. Amy Babish: You, how do I do what I do? So, yeah, this could be a whole other episode. But the Cliff Notes are, you know, in, in many circles, people talk about, quote, I put air quotes holding space. And so holding space has the indication of I'm doing something with my body to be there for you while you are in it. And there's nothing wrong or bad about that process or that lineage of tradition. The way that I have learned to be in process with individuals or in circles. Like, I just got back from South Africa, there were 27 people in the circle, including me, for a week of 12 hours a day, this kind of work. So there, when I start that circle, I say there, there will be no holding space here. And I said, that's going to rock, rock your world. Amy Babish: But I always, I always co facilitate with the land that I'm on. And so the land, my ancestors, my guides, the angels, the sacred mountain ranges, all of those things are holding me while I am with you. So we are being held by what's here. And then my intention is, you know, I know you very well, so I knew that the land was holding you on your side. We are being held by something so much bigger than what we know. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: And it comes by many names and the force. Jonathan: I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm joking. Amy Babish: Yes. So when I am my, my wholeness with you, I'm not absorbing any of the emotionality. Jonathan: Okay. All right. Amy Babish: Like, I don't have to use my physical body to filter through what was like weight, like weight like, it was like we got 10 foot waves in here. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: Like the ocean. Jonathan: Like I was like Namis. Amy Babish: Yes. A little bigger than that, but it's okay. So I'm not. I'm not absorbing any of that. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: And. Jonathan: Well, that's. I'm grateful for that because. Amy Babish: Yeah. So the, the whole system, the whole system that I'm plugged into alchemizes that. Jonathan: Okay. Amy Babish: So I can be, you know, heart open really in my sovereign space and being with you and it's. I can. I can feel the emotionality, but I'm not joining the wave with you. Jonathan: Right. Amy Babish: Which is a different. Jonathan: Gotcha. Yeah. Makes sense to me now. All right, well, I'm thankful for that then. Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't take on any emotional load. Yeah. So don't, don't. There's no emotional labor. There's spiritual labor, but it's not even labor. Jonathan: It's. Amy Babish: You know what? I'm. What I'm here to do. Jonathan: Okay. Yeah. Awesome. Amy Babish: Well, I think we're going to close up now. Jonathan: Yeah. Amy Babish: Thank you so much. To those of you who have literally rode the waves with us, if you have your own heartbreak, or if you know someone in your life who carries heartbreak, I really invite you to share this episode. If you are someone who wants to work with me, I have a three session alchemical constellation package. It's three two hour sessions of this kind of work and we dive deep with one intention and we see how its interconnected, connected through your blood lineage and oftentimes your soul lineage. And I don't omit anything. So no matter if it's a historical context like war, like we went through a little bit today, or if it's more complex things like genocide, famine or misogyny, whatever it is, I'm here for it and I really want to support you and your system. Please reach out, please check out my website and until we meet again, please. Sending you blessings from the Doeg land that I steward. Amy Babish: That's all for this episode of the Soulful Visionary podcast. If you found value in today's episode and are ready to delve deeper into aligning your inner world and environment, please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Your subscription helps us to reach more soulful visionaries like yourself. And if you've been inspired by what you heard, I'd be incredibly grateful. You could leave a review. Your feedback not only helps others discover this podcast, but also guides me in creating content that truly resonates with you. I'll catch you in the next episode. 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